lots of people shouldn't smoke weed as it doesn't work for them like alot of people shouldn't drink

horses for courses as they say

Pretty sure some drunks get to where they drive better drunk than sober too.

That's interesting, and I don't doubt some people drive the same (or better) while high; but it has different effects on different people and I'm sure many people become terrible drivers while high. Unless some study is done that shows the VAST MAJORITY of people can drive safely while high there's no way I would support it being legal (or at least not illegal) to drive while baked. 

I am a supporter of legalizing weed, but I think it should be treated in a way like alcohol i.e. its cool to use at your own house or whatever but you can't go out driving afterwards.

Legalizing weed would make a ton of money, both from taxes and the money saved on needing less drug enforcement cops and having less people in jail for posession. 

I made one thread about marijuana legalization about a year ago and I know somebody else did this summer too. It is good to keep people talking about the issue if we ever want things to change so I guess I agree we should welcome the opinions of those who disagree. If we listen to them perhaps they will listen to us as well.

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That tons of money would be offset by an even more increased health care cost. Then unemployment would rise ten fold due to people been fired from there job,due to being high and stoned at work. Most of your hard drugs and such have been outlawed in America since the 60's and it should stay that way. Hell,if it was up to me alchool would be outlawed. I'm sorry but I don't think going through life stoned and high all the time is okay,I've never done drugs,but I've seen the downside of it,due to family freinds being addicted to it over the years. Same goes for alchool. No amount of debating could convice me that smoking weed are any other kind of pot could be a good thing,so I'll just leave it at that and leave this thread.

How would they be fired if testing for THC metabolite would be dropped from drug screens if it was legal?  Problem with testing for a metabolite is that you can tell the person smoked but you don't know when they actually smoked.  It is like you get in an car accident and you show positive.  Does that mean you were high at the time?  No, it just means you smoked it within the past 2-14 days or so.  Some one can be very productive worker (I am, I work my ass off far more than almost any one at my current job, yet still smoke after work to relax or relieve soreness).  In fact there was a point in time that the only good hard workers at my job were stoners.

Also, health care cost of alcohol, cigarettes, and overweight people far outnumber marijuana smokers each individually.  Marijuana is far less addictive than alcohol and cigarettes.  Sure I understand you are hardliner against any drug but any type of argument you try to put a negative spin on marijuana I can rebut it.  Do we want everyone to get high while they preform their jobs such as doctors and airline pilots?  I am not even pushing for that.  However, if someone wants to unwind at the end of a long day at work by smoking some weed to condemn that is just pure bullshit (considering that person could get plastered off alcohol).  Then your airline pilot or doctor would show up to work hungover and problably do a half ass job of what they were supposed to.  If you smoke a shitload of weed chances are you will be 100% sober the moment you wake up (I've only woken up high 2-3 times in my life and that was from blazing far more than what the average smoker does).

I know you are hardliner against any drug.  However, you might eventually realize marijuana is far less dangerous than any other drug.  Find me a case where someone died from overdosing on marijuana...  Oh wait, sorry you can't because there are none.  Numerous people die each year from cigarette and alcohol related deaths yet you can't find any data about marijuana.  If there was such data the government would be shoving it our faces more.  Yet, they just show stupid commercials of teenagers driving over little kids in a fast food parking lot or someone shooting themselves in the head with their dad's gun. 

I won't even breach the hemp topic much.  Hemp is the strongest natural fiber in the world.  Europe uses hemp for paper.  However, we have to chop down trees for ours.  The USA government went pro hemp during WW2 (encourage farmers to grow it) because they needed for rope for ships, etc...  Then once WW2 ended they went back to their anti hemp stance.  The government is just about protecting the industries to contribute the most.  Your government is corrupt and has told you lies your entire life.  Wake up!

Man oh man I love how people try to justify Marijuanna.

Now don't get me wrong I think if Alchohol is legal then Marijuanna should be as well, since alchohol is far more dangerous. However the Canadian Government did research and found that Marijuanna does indeed damage the brain. You can try to refute the study all you want but having known pot smokers for years I see a massive decline in intelligence.

As for Gateway drug, you can't refute that either. Even if it was perfectly legal it would still lead people to try other drugs. I know two people personally who started smoking weed and moved onto Cigerettes (Another thing I think should not be legal). I also know someone who moved onto Meth , Ex etc...etc... Now sure the drug dealer may have sold them on meth, but what about the cigerettes? No dealer tried to get them smoking cigerettes, but they thought if Marijuanna was okay maybe smoking other things was okay too.

As for the driving factor. I drove a couple times with a friend who was high. Its true he thought he was driving better. But he was paranoid as heck. He'd stop early when he thought the light was going to change. He always hesitated to change lanes and was constantly looking back and around. Then a cop drove by and he started freaking out. Driving with him was just as scary as the time I was dumb enough to take a ride from a drunk guy. Marijuanna impares your judgement, it makes many paranoid. Paranoia can lead to accidents and other things, I've seen planty of police chases on TV where the drivers were high and even though they only ran a stop sign or were speeding they decided to run.

Now I agree yet again that alchohol is worse, but just because something bad for you is legal doesn't mean it all should be. You mention caffiene, to overdose on caffiene you would need to drink like 15-cans in one sitting (Adults) now how many cans do you think the average person drinks? Can you even drink that many cans fast enough to over dose?

Now you could argue Salvia is another gateway drug but is legal. Well in Canada for example that is no longer the case.

I can honestly say I have never tried an illegal drug or controlled substance. I also stopped drinking alchohol over a year ago. I think Alchohol should be illegal alongside marijuanna. However you are correct their is alot of money to be made in legalizing alchohol, but should we be legalizing everything just for money.

The reason alchohol became legal again was because the majority of american's were drinking it, the reason cigerettes are legal is because everyone got hooked on them and too many people were smokers before the Governments knew what they were doing. The reason pot will become legal is because a healthy minority of the population wants it so.

We live in democracies and in democracies the population makes the laws. But just because something makes you feel good, kills pain or gives you a high does not mean it should be legal. Also the majority of voters still do not want pot legal. If so many wanted it legal then their would be more protests, larger protests and more voters would vote in elections for people that want pot legal.

Just look at the Marijuanna party here in Canada, or the NDP who also want pot legal. Now look at their votes? Do they have many supporters? Not enough to even make second place in an election. Infact the Marijuanna Party has to my knowledge never even one a single seat locally, provincially or nationally.

The American people don't want pot legal, the government doesn't want pot legal. A few hippies and hill billies should not be allowed to run the country. Eventually I'm sure it will become legal much like alchohol did, but it just goes to show you how our society doesn't give a crap anymore. The minorities don't care what their addiction or usage of alchohol, marijuanna or cigerettes do to the people around them. They don't care about the inflated health bills the people they kill drunk driving the families they tear apart.

All this minority cares about is their own feelings, it makes me feel good there for I should do it.

First, the legal/illegal stuff.

With weed it's the same as with alcohol. You just need to control your consum. There will be always people who just can't handle themself, and then they will get addictive and/or do crimes. Marijuana shouldn't be forbidden just because some idiots can'd handle it. You might as well ban alcohol, and any other legal drugs, there are just the same, if not even more people who can't control themselves.

I say legalize Marijuana, but icnrease the awareness of the drug, teach people about the influence and such.

Also, there should be a law against driving, just like with alcohol. Driving under drugs just isn't good, people, no matter how good you think youd drive. Just wait until it's the stuff is out again and drive then. And if you absolutely need to drive, well then fuck it, and say no on the previous day. It's always better than ending in another car just because you wanted to chill the previous evening.

now onto the fun stuff:

From what I can tell, everything with "Haze" is good stuff. Big bud should also be good, I haven't tried it yet, though.

The funniest movies when you're high are both Harold & Kumar's, How High, and the classics, half-baked and Cheech & Chong. If you want to educate yourself about the smoking culture (though this might get hard if you're high :D), you should watch the documentary Super High me. Very interesting stuff.

I would also love to hear your recommendations about films, i haven't watched a really fun movie for ages.

Question: Since we've obviously debated the topic of whether or not marijuana is good/bad and whether or not it should be legalized or not plenty now...I was curious last night as to how much marijuana costs...I'm sure different kinds will cost different, but what's a general amount, and how much per year do you think you're spending on that?