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buglebum on 24 February 2011
Icyedge said:
Hyruken said:
radiantshadow92 said:
Hyruken said:

Seems to me people think because they have the name "hacker" means they must have been up to no good pirating and what not. So they think Sony are doing good by catching these people.

But that isn't the case at all. These guys are honest and open about what they do and what they do is for private use, they haven't released anything.

In contrast other companies actually support this work. Look at whats happened with Kinect. All those hacks for it that people came up with. You don't see Microsoft beating down some dudes door taking away his Kinect dancing robot because that wasen't what the device was designed for! You don't see Android beating down all the doors of the people who create stuff for its open source network.

The reason why Sony are getting a beating in the media and on all the other games websites is because it boils down to freedom of using your product. That is what the case is about and what the courts will decide on. Wether you own your product or not. If you buy something you don't have the right to do anything to it. It must be left in the state you bought it. This could have massive reprecussions for gamers. Have you swapped your harddrive? Do you install custom mods to games? Do you maybe use a cheat? etc etc.

So pretty much those defending it are saying "if i pay £400 for a console i don't think i should own it, it should still be owned by the manafacturer. I am not allowed to alter it or change anything at all. And if i do i can go to jail or get a fine".

Which is just stupid.


Can anyone even use kinect to hack into xbox live and compromise security for microsoft? If not, then its a lot different than hacking the ps3 and microsoft simply doesn't lose anything from it.


I have no idea. But neither of the hackers who Sony went after did that either. Which again prooves my point that people see the word "hacker" and assume they must be doing something really bad like exploiting/pirating...

The point is that its Sony or Microsoft choice to sue an hacker if he release complete or part of their software. If its not doing them any bad they will obviously not sue them (kinect case), this doesnt mean they couldnt if they wanted.

On topic, now the guy is pretty much guilty since he admit releasing the hypervisor code for download.

PS.: May I remind everyone that on PS2 there has been boot disc and mod chip for years without sony sueing anyone.


He's not releasing, or ever going to release "hypervisor code".

It's his code, and his research that he's releasing.

Please do some googling and investigation and you will see this is one of the good guys that has specifically been very careful not to break any laws.



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IMU1808 on 24 February 2011
buglebum said:
IMU1808 said:

"And to prove it, i kept my word and uploaded all my HV reversing stuff.


Upload it everywhere so SONY couldn’t remove it easily. Grab it guys, it contains lots of knowledge about HV and HV procs."

Anyone care to defend this confession?


Confession of what?

 

There's nothing wrong with releasing his research on HV exploiting.

 

You do realise the goals of these people is purely to run linux, right or wrong it's hardly a crime.


Wow...



Kynes on 24 February 2011
IMU1808 said:

"And to prove it, i kept my word and uploaded all my HV reversing stuff.


Upload it everywhere so SONY couldn’t remove it easily. Grab it guys, it contains lots of knowledge about HV and HV procs."

Anyone care to defend this confession?


Do you know what HV is? Do you know what are you accusing him of?

 

Most people here don't even know what Hypervisor is, and what does it have to do with custom FW or emulation. They blindly defend Sony.



SaviorX on 24 February 2011



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Icyedge on 24 February 2011
buglebum said:
Icyedge said:

The point is that its Sony or Microsoft choice to sue an hacker if he release complete or part of their software. If its not doing them any bad they will obviously not sue them (kinect case), this doesnt mean they couldnt if they wanted.

On topic, now the guy is pretty much guilty since he admit releasing the hypervisor code for download.

PS.: May I remind everyone that on PS2 there has been boot disc and mod chip for years without sony sueing anyone.


He's not releasing, or ever going to release "hypervisor code".

It's his code, and his research that he's releasing.

Please do some googling and investigation and you will see this is one of the good guys that has specifically been very careful not to break any laws.


Stop you nonsense bubblegum, its getting ridiculous. When you have tool to reverse engineer or to make custom firmware you have automatically part or full of the original code in it. Its linked together.

"Guys, i don’t joke, it’s serious.
And to prove it, i kept my word and uploaded all my HV reversing stuff."



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buglebum on 24 February 2011
Icyedge said:
buglebum said:
Icyedge said:
 

The point is that its Sony or Microsoft choice to sue an hacker if he release complete or part of their software. If its not doing them any bad they will obviously not sue them (kinect case), this doesnt mean they couldnt if they wanted.

On topic, now the guy is pretty much guilty since he admit releasing the hypervisor code for download.

PS.: May I remind everyone that on PS2 there has been boot disc and mod chip for years without sony sueing anyone.


He's not releasing, or ever going to release "hypervisor code".

It's his code, and his research that he's releasing.

Please do some googling and investigation and you will see this is one of the good guys that has specifically been very careful not to break any laws.


Stop you nonsense bubblegum, its getting ridiculous. When you have tool to reverse engineer or to make custom firmware you have automatically part or full of the original code in it. Its linked together.

"Guys, i don’t joke, it’s serious.
And to prove it, i kept my word and uploaded all my HV reversing stuff."

That isn't true in the slightest, what makes you think that?

The end user downloads the original Sony firmware, the hacker provides the tools to modify that firmware. The hacker provides no copyrighted code.

Even the decryption key that geohot provided isn't copyrighted, since it can be derived by reversing without knowledge of trade secrets. It's questionable if a decryption key can even be copyrighted in the first place from my understanding but I can't be sure of that. Would be curious to know if anyone knows better.



Galaki on 24 February 2011
Kynes said:

All this is like making the XVid codec developers pay for all the pirated movies. It's surreal.


Oh shit. I had no idea. Time to go download free movies!



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buglebum on 24 February 2011
Galaki said:
Kynes said:

All this is like making the XVid codec developers pay for all the pirated movies. It's surreal.


Oh shit. I had no idea. Time to go download free movies!

Not sure how that follows...



Adobo on 24 February 2011

in recent months people here are saying PS3 is impossible to Hack?

I do not give a s&*t about these hackers because they will do whatever they decided to do anyway. It is just uncool when they steal others account...



Jay520 on 24 February 2011

I don't give a damn what's going on. I'm on Sony's side.