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Forums - General - Obama to DoJ: DOMA sucks, don't fight for it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/23/obama-doma-unconstitutional_n_827134.html

It's nice to see that our President has the balls to look the GOP machine in the eyes and say "Fuck. You." The Democrats have sat back for far too long and taken beating after beating over social issues when they're on the right side of the battle. I don't care if you despise gay people to your very core, they deserve rights just like the rest of us.




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They deserve rights, but the real problem is that the government has the authority to deem what is and is not marriage.

Marriage is a religious ceremony, and nothing more or less. Therefore, the government does not have the authority to utilize it both against people that would desire religiously-defined marriage to either be enforced, or to enforce alternate views of marriage on the religious.



Back from the dead, I'm afraid.

Good. Ballsy move by Obama too.



mrstickball said:

They deserve rights, but the real problem is that the government has the authority to deem what is and is not marriage.

Marriage is a religious ceremony, and nothing more or less. Therefore, the government does not have the authority to utilize it both against people that would desire religiously-defined marriage to either be enforced, or to enforce alternate views of marriage on the religious.

Marriage stopped being a religious institution the moment governments started legally binding people together and giving each of them benefits for doing so. You want to remove those rights and benefits? Hey, I'm all for it. But until that time comes, anyone of legal age should be able to marry anyone they choose. The government doesn't have the right to pick and choose who anyone gets to marry.




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"At a December news conference, in response to a reporters' question, Obama revealed that his position on gay marriage is 'constantly evolving.'"

I'll say! I mean, since he was for gay marriage in 1996 but turned against it just in time to run for Senator. I'm guessing he'll be for it again sometime in the run up to the 2012 elections if such a stance polls well?



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While I agree that the DOMA sucks.

I disagree that the President should be allowed to directly say "Just don't defend this."

It basically sets the precident that the President can pick and choose what laws are worth following and enforcing... because well, that's exactly what he is doing.

It is the president's and DOJ duty to defend EVERY law on the books, even ones that they completely disagree with, and don't even believe are constiutional.

Just how every criminal even those you think are guilty deserve a fair and honest defense.



Kasz216 said:

While I agree that the DOMA sucks.

I disagree that the President should be allowed to directly say "Just don't defend this."

I was waiting for someone to say this. While I love that Obama is standing up to Republicans on this, I'm not crazy about the idea of him picking and choosing which laws to enforce.




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Why does anyone, straight or gay want to get married in the first place?



gamefanatik said:

Why does anyone, straight or gay want to get married in the first place?

Tax breaks are the only reason I can think to do so.




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mrstickball said:

They deserve rights, but the real problem is that the government has the authority to deem what is and is not marriage.

Marriage is a religious ceremony, and nothing more or less. Therefore, the government does not have the authority to utilize it both against people that would desire religiously-defined marriage to either be enforced, or to enforce alternate views of marriage on the religious.


I agree actually. I would prefer that marriage had no legal recognition at all, only some form of universal civil union. Marriage would be the ceremony rather than the legal concept.

 

Also I'm not entirely sure but I think the DoJ and all other departments of that sort fall under control of the executive branch of government? If so this is within Obama's powers.