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If Islam goes and gets itself made irrelevant similar to how Christianity is today relative to how it was 200 years ago then Islam will make itself just as good. The best thing however in order to better themselves is for anyone to give up religion entirely.



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superchunk said:

You are right that the two religions are no different in the atrocities they've committed in the name of their religion. That is the point of my thread.

However, I am not trying to point out flaws with Christianities history while ignoring the flaws in modern Islam. For some reason a few people in this thread have made the same point, but that is 100% not what the OP states.

I was merely trying to point of the ignorance in stating things about the moral superiority of Christianity vs Islam as way too many Christians do, when in fact Christianity has went through this exact same phase that lasted hundreds of years, whereas Islam has only been like this for less than 200.

To me its not helpful in any way to simply state Islam is evil and violent. Instead it should be focused on how do we revert Islam to its far peaceful past? How do we education the Muslim masses on their own Qur'an so they will stop listening to these extremist? How do we create a Renaissance in Islam?

Even today Christianity still has extremist elements. Those who attack gays, nonChristians, and abortion clinics. Difference is they are not have any power to perform larger havoc because the masses read and understand the real message in the NT of the Bible. That is what we should be focusing on when we discuss extremism in Islam.

People like Prodigy will never help bring about Islam as its actually taught in the Qur'an, instead they simply promote extremist views and adherents because it simply adds fuel to these groups initiatives.

That's actually not true. They have no power due to things like secularism and civil rights. For example in my country the majority of the people (who are Christians, most of them) think gays should be sent to jail.



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Squilliam said:

If Islam goes and gets itself made irrelevant similar to how Christianity is today relative to how it was 200 years ago then Islam will make itself just as good. The best thing however in order to better themselves is for anyone to give up religion entirely.

This! You speak the turth, sir!



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HUGE lol at the usual liberal debaters on this site who in their ignorance and political correctness refuse to acknowledge the fact that Christianity is inherently more peaceful than Islam.



ProdigyBam said:

Sure mate, Christians are the most persecuted religious group in the world especially in muslim countries because ALL muslims in muslim countries (where muslims have the mist power) dont know the teachings of their book/ sarcasm off

you make me SICK, really

 

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I will stop here, it doesnt make sense, everyone who wants to know the truth about both religions should read the bible and the quran (and the hadiths) and compare them, everyone else, wait 20-40 years and you will hate yourself because you havent informed yourselves in the first place.

im off, cya everyone

LOL. I'm pretty sure Atheists are way more persecuted than Christians.



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"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

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Slimebeast said:

HUGE lol at the usual liberal debaters on this site who in their ignorance and political correctness refuse to acknowledge the fact that Christianity is inherently more peaceful than Islam.

You must be one of those Nazi Swedes.



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"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

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"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

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ProdigyBam said:
huaxiong90 said:
NotStan said:

I am going to quote my mum on this as we often have discussions regarding religion, she's a Christian I am an atheist so she keeps telling me "When you're older, you'll realize that you were being an idiot and become a Christian, everyone in our family went through that". Anyhow in regards to Islam, she is very opiniated. Classing all of the Muslims as terrorists is a common misconception of an ignorant peasant, however they do have an increasing amount of extremists that do all in their power to wreck havoc onto the world, I have lived in a Muslim centric country for a GOOD part of my childhood, hell I've even experienced a bomb blast, not directly but it was not too far away. I got to say in terms of equality WITHIN Islam, it's great, everyone are treated as equal in Islam no matter if you're Asian/Black/White, but if you're Christian it's shunned upon, I don't think that they're at the stage yet where they accept other religions as having some grain of truth, only the modern ones do, which are far and between. I agree with the OP, I think that the Muslims are experiencing their "Islamic Renaissance", it's just that they're frowned upon by the now developed Christians who are being hypocrites in this case as they've been through exactly the same period(Crusades and whatnot).

Bottom line is, I'd like to make an observation, most, if not all of the developed countries were at some point Church dominated, so Christianity as at the centre of their values whereas most of the countries where Islam is rampant are currently lagging behind and can be classed as "third world countries" with either Dictator at the brink or some sort of oppresionist rule. If that doesn't tell you something in regards to impact that a religion makes, I don't know what does.

See, here's another problem. Those who shun others due to religion are just going against our teachings. Us Muslims are taught to respect other religions, it's in the Qur'an: (Allah does not forbid you that you show kindness and deal justly with those who did not fight you in your religion and did not drive you out from your homes…)(Al-Mumtahinah 60:8)

thats what i meant, its just disgusting how you can lie like that, you and I know that this is a meccanic verse, its annuled by various newer verses from the medinesic time, first there were a few peaceful verses in the meccanic time but they are anulled by newer verses (medinesic time - more violent orders) when they contradict themself.

and no, i didnt make that up, thats islamic theology

How am I "lying" when it's right there for me to read in the Quran? Or even the "No compulsion in religion" verse? Or even the verse telling to "attack only those who attack our religion, but without transgressing limits"?

The fact that you don't even understand what the verse you quoted (Quran 8:12) refers to (namely, the Battle of Badr), never mind the fact that you think Taqiyya applies to all Muslims (remember, Sunnis and Shia aren't the same), is proof you don't understand what you're reading.

In fact, based on how you used it, you don't even know what the word means.

Come on, now.



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sapphi_snake said:
Slimebeast said:

HUGE lol at the usual liberal debaters on this site who in their ignorance and political correctness refuse to acknowledge the fact that Christianity is inherently more peaceful than Islam.

You must be one of those Nazi Swedes.

What's that? and how is it relevant?

 



ProdigyBam said:

Sure mate, Christians are the most persecuted religious group in the world especially in muslim countries because ALL muslims in muslim countries (where muslims have the mist power) dont know the teachings of their book/ sarcasm off

you make me SICK, really

 

EDIT:

I will stop here, it doesnt make sense, everyone who wants to know the truth about both religions should read the bible and the quran (and the hadiths) and compare them, everyone else, wait 20-40 years and you will hate yourself because you havent informed yourselves in the first place.

im off, cya everyone

Agh...why did I bother? No really, forget I said anything. Keep looking at it with a closed-mind. Sad as it is, I don't even care anymore.



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Slimebeast said:
sapphi_snake said:
Slimebeast said:

HUGE lol at the usual liberal debaters on this site who in their ignorance and political correctness refuse to acknowledge the fact that Christianity is inherently more peaceful than Islam.

You must be one of those Nazi Swedes.

What's that? and how is it relevant?

 

It is relevant, considering your views.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)