ProdigyBam said:
huaxiong90 said:
NotStan said:
I am going to quote my mum on this as we often have discussions regarding religion, she's a Christian I am an atheist so she keeps telling me "When you're older, you'll realize that you were being an idiot and become a Christian, everyone in our family went through that". Anyhow in regards to Islam, she is very opiniated. Classing all of the Muslims as terrorists is a common misconception of an ignorant peasant, however they do have an increasing amount of extremists that do all in their power to wreck havoc onto the world, I have lived in a Muslim centric country for a GOOD part of my childhood, hell I've even experienced a bomb blast, not directly but it was not too far away. I got to say in terms of equality WITHIN Islam, it's great, everyone are treated as equal in Islam no matter if you're Asian/Black/White, but if you're Christian it's shunned upon, I don't think that they're at the stage yet where they accept other religions as having some grain of truth, only the modern ones do, which are far and between. I agree with the OP, I think that the Muslims are experiencing their "Islamic Renaissance", it's just that they're frowned upon by the now developed Christians who are being hypocrites in this case as they've been through exactly the same period(Crusades and whatnot).
Bottom line is, I'd like to make an observation, most, if not all of the developed countries were at some point Church dominated, so Christianity as at the centre of their values whereas most of the countries where Islam is rampant are currently lagging behind and can be classed as "third world countries" with either Dictator at the brink or some sort of oppresionist rule. If that doesn't tell you something in regards to impact that a religion makes, I don't know what does.
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See, here's another problem. Those who shun others due to religion are just going against our teachings. Us Muslims are taught to respect other religions, it's in the Qur'an: (Allah does not forbid you that you show kindness and deal justly with those who did not fight you in your religion and did not drive you out from your homes…)(Al-Mumtahinah 60:8)
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thats what i meant, its just disgusting how you can lie like that, you and I know that this is a meccanic verse, its annuled by various newer verses from the medinesic time, first there were a few peaceful verses in the meccanic time but they are anulled by newer verses (medinesic time - more violent orders) when they contradict themself.
and no, i didnt make that up, thats islamic theology
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How am I "lying" when it's right there for me to read in the Quran? Or even the "No compulsion in religion" verse? Or even the verse telling to "attack only those who attack our religion, but without transgressing limits"?
The fact that you don't even understand what the verse you quoted (Quran 8:12) refers to (namely, the Battle of Badr), never mind the fact that you think Taqiyya applies to all Muslims (remember, Sunnis and Shia aren't the same), is proof you don't understand what you're reading.
In fact, based on how you used it, you don't even know what the word means.
Come on, now.