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LivingMetal on 21 February 2011
Kasz216 said:

A) Why do you keep ignoring the "Point out the intent in the rap lyrics."  Is it because, you know you can't.  I don't see piracy used anywhere there, and the only statements i've seen him say are "I am against piracy".

B) Find me one case where someone was successful convicted for selling a murder weapon when they knew that person was going to murder someone with it... that wasn't convicted because they sold an illegal gun.

C) I did disprove you... you keep trying to dodge the question though.


a)  I've been very consistent in saying that geohot is the enabler.  I never said he stole anything.

And lyrics such as

"Pound me in the ass with no lube, chafing

You’re fucking with the dude who got the keys to your safe and
Those that can’t do bring suits
Cry to your Uncle Sam to settle disputes
Thought you’d tackle this with a little more tact
But then again fudgepackers, I don’t know Jack"

...and...

"Exhibit this in the courtroom

Go on, do it, I dare you"

...Is less professional and more at an attempt at a threat.

Now, I've addressed you.  So according to you, I must be correct.

b) Don't try to change the subject.

c) You're a hypocrite.



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LivingMetal on 21 February 2011
Kasz216 said:
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fordy said:
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Again:

"The truth that has been pointed out over and over again which has been denied by everyone unreasonable is that we all know that what geohot released WILL be abused.  AND he PROVED his malicious intent by the release and content of that rap video.  Keep lying to yourself.  You guys aren't gamers."

Yet you're supporting Sony wasting their money on a case just to prove a point, when that money could be going towards PROPER protection devices for the online community?

It's blatantly ignorant to think that the one-trick pony of a protection system that was flawed to begin with would meet the needs of PS3 security this entire time. They need to cut their losses and work to prevent even more damage being done.


I'm not supporting Sony.  I'm supporting the enjoyment of gaming.

Er... then why are you argueing for Sony...


I just said I wasn't specifically supporting Sony in this situation.  So I'm not arguing for Sony.  I'm supporting the enjoyment of gaming.  Do I need to repeat myself, or are you just trying to discredit me because I made a valid point you could not successfully argue?

You are argueing against the side supporting the enjoyment of gaming.  You are argueing for the side that allows restrictions on your gaming console preventing you from fully enjoying said gaming.

You know what will happen to hackers in COD?   IP bans.  Or it would if Activision cared. 


I buy a game for what it is unless the developer wants to improve in some way via update.  If I don't think I'll like the game, I don't but it.  if I find I don't like the game after I bought it, my mistake.  If I bought something I don't like software or hardware, I get rid of it.  My right, my choice.  No restriction, Just part of the world of gaming like life itself.

Guess it was your mistake then for buying COD and the PS3 which apparently was so eaisly hackable.


I don't buy COD.

I'm still waiting for you to point out the thing in the rap where he says he's doing this so people can pirate and hack games.

...

Basically, i'm waiting for you to backup any of your claims.


Addressed.  But you're going to disagree anyway, and find some other what to claim I'm wrong which I've already (and others) have been more reasonable.



Kasz216 on 21 February 2011
LivingMetal said:
Kasz216 said:

A) Why do you keep ignoring the "Point out the intent in the rap lyrics."  Is it because, you know you can't.  I don't see piracy used anywhere there, and the only statements i've seen him say are "I am against piracy".

B) Find me one case where someone was successful convicted for selling a murder weapon when they knew that person was going to murder someone with it... that wasn't convicted because they sold an illegal gun.

C) I did disprove you... you keep trying to dodge the question though.


a)  I've been very consistent in saying that geohot is the enabler.  I never said he stole anything.

And lyrics such as

"Pound me in the ass with no lube, chafing

You’re fucking with the dude who got the keys to your safe and
Those that can’t do bring suits
Cry to your Uncle Sam to settle disputes
Thought you’d tackle this with a little more tact
But then again fudgepackers, I don’t know Jack"

...and...

"Exhibit this in the courtroom

Go on, do it, I dare you"

...Is less professional and more at an attempt at a threat.

Now, I've addressed you.  So according to you, I must be correct.

b) Don't try to change the subject.

c) You're a hypocrite.


A)  You adressed it... by highlighting nothing that shows intent.  So no... you didn't.  That shows absolutely zero intent.  No mentions of being pro piracy, or pro cheating, or enabling specifically for piracy or cheating.

B)  It's not changing the subject, i'm taking your EXACT analogy and asking you to find one case where it's true.  If you can't prove your exact analogy... that means your wrong right?

C) Not about this I'm not.  Afterall you can't find  away to prove intent works like how it says, because you haven't provided an example of B.  If you've got something you want me to directly talk about... feel free to state it.



LivingMetal on 21 February 2011
fordy said:
LivingMetal said:
fordy said:
LivingMetal said:


I'm not supporting Sony.  I'm supporting the enjoyment of gaming.


Then answer me this...

Do you support Sony spending the money to take Geohot to court above spending it on an improved system for secure play online?


Loaded question.  I'm NOT falling for it.  I support any company IN PRINCIPLE (not necessarily the company itself) to do whatever it take to preserve the integrity of games being developed by developers and the developers' rights to see fit how they should modify their own software for their fanbase for their enjoyment.  You don't like the product for whatever reason, don't support the company.

It's a legitimate question. Sony is not a geyser of cash, and the hard fact is, whatever X amount of dollars they spend on this case is X dollars less they could put towards securing the system.

Are you honestly for gaming, or do you just after some kind of sick revenge?


As long as I'm reasonable in my assessments and statements (which I have been), you guys are going to continue to attempt to character assassinate me because you have NOTHING of substance.



fordy on 21 February 2011
LivingMetal said:
fordy said:
LivingMetal said:
fordy said:
LivingMetal said:


I'm not supporting Sony.  I'm supporting the enjoyment of gaming.


Then answer me this...

Do you support Sony spending the money to take Geohot to court above spending it on an improved system for secure play online?


Loaded question.  I'm NOT falling for it.  I support any company IN PRINCIPLE (not necessarily the company itself) to do whatever it take to preserve the integrity of games being developed by developers and the developers' rights to see fit how they should modify their own software for their fanbase for their enjoyment.  You don't like the product for whatever reason, don't support the company.

It's a legitimate question. Sony is not a geyser of cash, and the hard fact is, whatever X amount of dollars they spend on this case is X dollars less they could put towards securing the system.

Are you honestly for gaming, or do you just after some kind of sick revenge?


As long as I'm reasonable in my assessments and statements (which I have been), you guys are going to continue to attempt to character assassinate me because you have NOTHING of substance.

I haven't seen one part of your argument with substance, especially not one that would hold up in court. At least I'm trying to find out your true motive here.



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LivingMetal on 21 February 2011
Kasz216 said:
LivingMetal said:
Kasz216 said:

A) Why do you keep ignoring the "Point out the intent in the rap lyrics."  Is it because, you know you can't.  I don't see piracy used anywhere there, and the only statements i've seen him say are "I am against piracy".

B) Find me one case where someone was successful convicted for selling a murder weapon when they knew that person was going to murder someone with it... that wasn't convicted because they sold an illegal gun.

C) I did disprove you... you keep trying to dodge the question though.


a)  I've been very consistent in saying that geohot is the enabler.  I never said he stole anything.

And lyrics such as

"Pound me in the ass with no lube, chafing

You’re fucking with the dude who got the keys to your safe and
Those that can’t do bring suits
Cry to your Uncle Sam to settle disputes
Thought you’d tackle this with a little more tact
But then again fudgepackers, I don’t know Jack"

...and...

"Exhibit this in the courtroom

Go on, do it, I dare you"

...Is less professional and more at an attempt at a threat.

Now, I've addressed you.  So according to you, I must be correct.

b) Don't try to change the subject.

c) You're a hypocrite.


A)  You adressed it... by highlighting nothing that shows intent.  So no... you didn't.

B)  It's not changing the subject, i'm taking your EXACT analogy and asking you to find one case where it's true.  If you can't prove your exact analogy... that means your wrong right?

C) Not about this I'm not.  Afterall you can't find  away to prove intent works like how it says, because you haven't provided an example of B.


Hey, it's not my fault that you fail to see reasoning.  You never addressed my points, and you never proved anything to me.  All you kept doing was disrespect reasoning while changing the subject in an attempt to avoid a loosing argument.



Kasz216 on 21 February 2011
LivingMetal said:
Kasz216 said:
LivingMetal said:
Kasz216 said:

A) Why do you keep ignoring the "Point out the intent in the rap lyrics."  Is it because, you know you can't.  I don't see piracy used anywhere there, and the only statements i've seen him say are "I am against piracy".

B) Find me one case where someone was successful convicted for selling a murder weapon when they knew that person was going to murder someone with it... that wasn't convicted because they sold an illegal gun.

C) I did disprove you... you keep trying to dodge the question though.


a)  I've been very consistent in saying that geohot is the enabler.  I never said he stole anything.

And lyrics such as

"Pound me in the ass with no lube, chafing

You’re fucking with the dude who got the keys to your safe and
Those that can’t do bring suits
Cry to your Uncle Sam to settle disputes
Thought you’d tackle this with a little more tact
But then again fudgepackers, I don’t know Jack"

...and...

"Exhibit this in the courtroom

Go on, do it, I dare you"

...Is less professional and more at an attempt at a threat.

Now, I've addressed you.  So according to you, I must be correct.

b) Don't try to change the subject.

c) You're a hypocrite.


A)  You adressed it... by highlighting nothing that shows intent.  So no... you didn't.

B)  It's not changing the subject, i'm taking your EXACT analogy and asking you to find one case where it's true.  If you can't prove your exact analogy... that means your wrong right?

C) Not about this I'm not.  Afterall you can't find  away to prove intent works like how it says, because you haven't provided an example of B.


Hey, it's not my fault that you fail to see reasoning.  You never addressed my points, and you never proved anything to me.  All you kept doing was disrespect reasoning while changing the subject in an attempt to avoid a loosing argument.

What points?  That his rap showed his intent was malicious... which it didn't?

That intent would matter when it comes to the giving of a hammer to someone.  Which, you couldn't prove and haven't proven?  (Your analogy mind you.)

I adressed those and disproved them... maybe not to you... but I filled the burden of proof in disproving them.  While you have yet to fill any burden of proof in your points.


So I gotta ask... what points did I not adress?



LivingMetal on 21 February 2011
fordy said:
LivingMetal said:
fordy said:
LivingMetal said:
fordy said:
LivingMetal said:


I'm not supporting Sony.  I'm supporting the enjoyment of gaming.


Then answer me this...

Do you support Sony spending the money to take Geohot to court above spending it on an improved system for secure play online?


Loaded question.  I'm NOT falling for it.  I support any company IN PRINCIPLE (not necessarily the company itself) to do whatever it take to preserve the integrity of games being developed by developers and the developers' rights to see fit how they should modify their own software for their fanbase for their enjoyment.  You don't like the product for whatever reason, don't support the company.

It's a legitimate question. Sony is not a geyser of cash, and the hard fact is, whatever X amount of dollars they spend on this case is X dollars less they could put towards securing the system.

Are you honestly for gaming, or do you just after some kind of sick revenge?


As long as I'm reasonable in my assessments and statements (which I have been), you guys are going to continue to attempt to character assassinate me because you have NOTHING of substance.

I haven't seen one part of your argument with substance, especially not one that would hold up in court. At least I'm trying to find out your true motive here.


If you haven't found it already (fight for gaming), then you might as well stop wasting your efforts.  It's very clear.  I'm not going to answer anyone's questions their way.  I tell it like it is.



Kasz216 on 21 February 2011

I also find it funny that you said "An analogy is often used by those losing an arguement to defelct the subject."

When MY analogy was a response to YOUR analogy about drug users and drug sellers.  Making you the original deflector... no?

All I did was correct your flawed analogy.



fordy on 21 February 2011
LivingMetal said:

If you haven't found it already (fight for gaming), then you might as well stop wasting your efforts.  It's very clear.  I'm not going to answer anyone's questions their way.  I tell it like it is.


Then I suggest that you stop this support of a court case that Sony will lose either way (What are they going to do? Make money off of him?) and fight towards getting Sony to secure their link between client PS3s and the gaming servers.