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LivingMetal on 21 February 2011
Kasz216 said:
LivingMetal said:
Kasz216 said:
LivingMetal said:
fordy said:
LivingMetal said:


Again:

"The truth that has been pointed out over and over again which has been denied by everyone unreasonable is that we all know that what geohot released WILL be abused.  AND he PROVED his malicious intent by the release and content of that rap video.  Keep lying to yourself.  You guys aren't gamers."

Yet you're supporting Sony wasting their money on a case just to prove a point, when that money could be going towards PROPER protection devices for the online community?

It's blatantly ignorant to think that the one-trick pony of a protection system that was flawed to begin with would meet the needs of PS3 security this entire time. They need to cut their losses and work to prevent even more damage being done.


I'm not supporting Sony.  I'm supporting the enjoyment of gaming.

Er... then why are you argueing for Sony...


I just said I wasn't specifically supporting Sony in this situation.  So I'm not arguing for Sony.  I'm supporting the enjoyment of gaming.  Do I need to repeat myself, or are you just trying to discredit me because I made a valid point you could not successfully argue?

You are argueing against the side supporting the enjoyment of gaming.  You are argueing for the side that allows restrictions on your gaming console preventing you from fully enjoying said gaming.

You know what will happen to hackers in COD?   IP bans.  Or it would if Activision cared. 


I buy a game for what it is unless the developer wants to improve in some way via update.  If I don't think I'll like the game, I don't but it.  if I find I don't like the game after I bought it, my mistake.  If I bought something I don't like software or hardware, I get rid of it.  My right, my choice.  No restrictions.  Just part of the world of gaming like life itself.



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Kasz216 on 21 February 2011
LivingMetal said:
Kasz216 said:
LivingMetal said:
Kasz216 said:
LivingMetal said:
Kasz216 said:
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Again.

People who manufactuer guns KNOW that they will be abused and that people will be murdered.

Who's lieing to themselves here?  Your analogy is broken and disproven yet you keep pretending it works.

The only person lieing to themselves is you, because you think you are right with the point when it's eaisly disproven and you've got no leg to stand on by way of your own analogy.

 

Some people hand out hammers to fix things.  Some people hand out hammers to hurt others.  Some people mod console to thing they want at no expense to others.  Some people mod consoles to cheat and make the gaming experience worst for everyone else.  And it's about the intent, not the action.  So, no.  My analogy is NOT broken.  But when someone such as yourself cannot successfully argue the point at hand (geohot being in the wrong), a common tactic is to divert attention from the real point such as focusing on an analogy (which is what you are attempting to do.)  So focus on this:

"The truth that has been pointed out over and over again which has been denied by everyone unreasonable is that we all know that what geohot released WILL be abused.  AND he PROVED his malicious intent by the release and content of that rap video.  Keep lying to yourself.  You guys aren't gamers."

You sannot deny that Geohot released sensitive info.

You cannot deny that it will be abused.

You cannot deny that Geohot proved his malicious intent from the rapping video he released.

Geohot is in the wrong.  Stop lying to yourself, and start promoting gaming.

Er, intent does not matter...

Keep dreaming.  Intent can matter in a court of law.  This is a fact.

Not in the way your thinking.


So are you saying that there was no merit in choosing a degree of murder when I was serving jury duty for a murder case based on whether the murder was an accident, coerced, or intentional?  Intention, baby.  Intention.  Keep making excuses, bub.  Geohot intended the keys to be used by anyone however they want.  bad.


A) Why do you keep ignoring the "Point out the intent in the rap lyrics."  Is it because, you know you can't.  I don't see piracy used anywhere there, and the only statements i've seen him say are "I am against piracy".

B) Find me one case where someone was successful convicted for selling a murder weapon when they knew that person was going to murder someone with it... that wasn't convicted because they sold an illegal gun.

C) I did disprove you... you keep trying to dodge the question though.



fordy on 21 February 2011
LivingMetal said:


I'm not supporting Sony.  I'm supporting the enjoyment of gaming.


Then answer me this...

Do you support Sony spending the money to take Geohot to court above spending it on an improved system for secure play online?



Kasz216 on 21 February 2011
LivingMetal said:
Kasz216 said:
LivingMetal said:
Kasz216 said:
LivingMetal said:
fordy said:
LivingMetal said:


Again:

"The truth that has been pointed out over and over again which has been denied by everyone unreasonable is that we all know that what geohot released WILL be abused.  AND he PROVED his malicious intent by the release and content of that rap video.  Keep lying to yourself.  You guys aren't gamers."

Yet you're supporting Sony wasting their money on a case just to prove a point, when that money could be going towards PROPER protection devices for the online community?

It's blatantly ignorant to think that the one-trick pony of a protection system that was flawed to begin with would meet the needs of PS3 security this entire time. They need to cut their losses and work to prevent even more damage being done.


I'm not supporting Sony.  I'm supporting the enjoyment of gaming.

Er... then why are you argueing for Sony...


I just said I wasn't specifically supporting Sony in this situation.  So I'm not arguing for Sony.  I'm supporting the enjoyment of gaming.  Do I need to repeat myself, or are you just trying to discredit me because I made a valid point you could not successfully argue?

You are argueing against the side supporting the enjoyment of gaming.  You are argueing for the side that allows restrictions on your gaming console preventing you from fully enjoying said gaming.

You know what will happen to hackers in COD?   IP bans.  Or it would if Activision cared. 


I buy a game for what it is unless the developer wants to improve in some way via update.  If I don't think I'll like the game, I don't but it.  if I find I don't like the game after I bought it, my mistake.  If I bought something I don't like software or hardware, I get rid of it.  My right, my choice.  No restriction, Just part of the world of gaming like life itself.

Guess it was your mistake then for buying COD and the PS3 which apparently was so eaisly hackable.



forest-spirit on 21 February 2011
LivingMetal said:
Kasz216 said:

Not in the way your thinking.


So are you saying that there was no merit in choosing a degree of murder when I was serving jury duty for a murder case based on whether the murder was an accident, coerced, or intentional?  Intention, baby.  Intention.  Keep making excuses, bub.  Geohot intended the keys to be used by anyone however they want.  bad.


You better have something to prove the intention if you want to use that card. So far you haven't.



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radiantshadow92 on 21 February 2011
M.U.G.E.N said:

just 13 more pages guyz :D 50 is within our reach now!!!!


back with VGC 2.0, i would have had tons of VGC money to spend on the prediction league lol



LivingMetal on 21 February 2011
fordy said:
LivingMetal said:


I'm not supporting Sony.  I'm supporting the enjoyment of gaming.


Then answer me this...

Do you support Sony spending the money to take Geohot to court above spending it on an improved system for secure play online?


Loaded question.  I'm NOT falling for it.  I support any company IN PRINCIPLE (not necessarily the company itself) to do whatever it take to preserve the integrity of games being developed by developers and the developers' rights to see fit how they should modify their own software for their fanbase for their enjoyment.  You don't like the product for whatever reason, don't support the company.



LivingMetal on 21 February 2011
Kasz216 said:
LivingMetal said:
Kasz216 said:
LivingMetal said:
Kasz216 said:
LivingMetal said:
fordy said:
LivingMetal said:


Again:

"The truth that has been pointed out over and over again which has been denied by everyone unreasonable is that we all know that what geohot released WILL be abused.  AND he PROVED his malicious intent by the release and content of that rap video.  Keep lying to yourself.  You guys aren't gamers."

Yet you're supporting Sony wasting their money on a case just to prove a point, when that money could be going towards PROPER protection devices for the online community?

It's blatantly ignorant to think that the one-trick pony of a protection system that was flawed to begin with would meet the needs of PS3 security this entire time. They need to cut their losses and work to prevent even more damage being done.


I'm not supporting Sony.  I'm supporting the enjoyment of gaming.

Er... then why are you argueing for Sony...


I just said I wasn't specifically supporting Sony in this situation.  So I'm not arguing for Sony.  I'm supporting the enjoyment of gaming.  Do I need to repeat myself, or are you just trying to discredit me because I made a valid point you could not successfully argue?

You are argueing against the side supporting the enjoyment of gaming.  You are argueing for the side that allows restrictions on your gaming console preventing you from fully enjoying said gaming.

You know what will happen to hackers in COD?   IP bans.  Or it would if Activision cared. 


I buy a game for what it is unless the developer wants to improve in some way via update.  If I don't think I'll like the game, I don't but it.  if I find I don't like the game after I bought it, my mistake.  If I bought something I don't like software or hardware, I get rid of it.  My right, my choice.  No restriction, Just part of the world of gaming like life itself.

Guess it was your mistake then for buying COD and the PS3 which apparently was so eaisly hackable.


I don't buy COD.



fordy on 21 February 2011
LivingMetal said:
fordy said:
LivingMetal said:


I'm not supporting Sony.  I'm supporting the enjoyment of gaming.


Then answer me this...

Do you support Sony spending the money to take Geohot to court above spending it on an improved system for secure play online?


Loaded question.  I'm NOT falling for it.  I support any company IN PRINCIPLE (not necessarily the company itself) to do whatever it take to preserve the integrity of games being developed by developers and the developers' rights to see fit how they should modify their own software for their fanbase for their enjoyment.  You don't like the product for whatever reason, don't support the company.

It's a legitimate question. Sony is not a geyser of cash, and the hard fact is, whatever X amount of dollars they spend on this case is X dollars less they could put towards securing the system.

Are you honestly for gaming, or do you just after some kind of sick revenge?



Kasz216 on 21 February 2011
LivingMetal said:
Kasz216 said:
LivingMetal said:
Kasz216 said:
LivingMetal said:
Kasz216 said:
LivingMetal said:
fordy said:
LivingMetal said:


Again:

"The truth that has been pointed out over and over again which has been denied by everyone unreasonable is that we all know that what geohot released WILL be abused.  AND he PROVED his malicious intent by the release and content of that rap video.  Keep lying to yourself.  You guys aren't gamers."

Yet you're supporting Sony wasting their money on a case just to prove a point, when that money could be going towards PROPER protection devices for the online community?

It's blatantly ignorant to think that the one-trick pony of a protection system that was flawed to begin with would meet the needs of PS3 security this entire time. They need to cut their losses and work to prevent even more damage being done.


I'm not supporting Sony.  I'm supporting the enjoyment of gaming.

Er... then why are you argueing for Sony...


I just said I wasn't specifically supporting Sony in this situation.  So I'm not arguing for Sony.  I'm supporting the enjoyment of gaming.  Do I need to repeat myself, or are you just trying to discredit me because I made a valid point you could not successfully argue?

You are argueing against the side supporting the enjoyment of gaming.  You are argueing for the side that allows restrictions on your gaming console preventing you from fully enjoying said gaming.

You know what will happen to hackers in COD?   IP bans.  Or it would if Activision cared. 


I buy a game for what it is unless the developer wants to improve in some way via update.  If I don't think I'll like the game, I don't but it.  if I find I don't like the game after I bought it, my mistake.  If I bought something I don't like software or hardware, I get rid of it.  My right, my choice.  No restriction, Just part of the world of gaming like life itself.

Guess it was your mistake then for buying COD and the PS3 which apparently was so eaisly hackable.


I don't buy COD.

I'm still waiting for you to point out the thing in the rap where he says he's doing this so people can pirate and hack games.

Also, for you to show where he speicifically showed someone the key who he knew would hack it for piracy.  (Like giving someone a hammer who knows they are going to murder with it....)  Vs say, just putting it out there for everyone to see.  Like selling hammers, for everyone to buy... including murderers.

AND show a case where someone was successful prosecuted for giving a hammer, or any weapon to someone to murder someone with where the charges weren't brought because the weapon was transfered illegally by some other standard.

Basically, i'm waiting for you to backup any of your claims.