No, I am against it because it's nothing that was ever of popular demand in even older consoles... do you know what the average person looking for in a console wants? *cough* backups. When the PS2 was hacked with all the various modchips, the latter were quickly cloned, and while not even working 100%, they all booted backups just fine. The matrix infinity, O2, DMS4 Pro, Crystal Chip, and all others vanished and died rapidly after the clones were offered. Do you know what functions they offered? Forcing video modes, fixing the screen in PS1 imports, and - lo - booting homebrew from various media!

Most of the clones couldn't do ANY of those - mars, early mid modbos, Apple, Duo, etc... guess which killed which? The $10-20 cheaper clones massacred their sources even without having most of their sources' features fully working - modbos were adapted after the infinity team went away, probably catering to the miniscule crowd that needs more than just pirated games.

Those are facts, you can check PSX-scene for those massive "clone wars" (no pun, darth if you're even looking)

The ones that build supercomputers get their PS3's specially modified. The famous USAF didn't get affected in any way. Why would the 10 consumers that need HOME supercomputers buy and 10 PS3's to create such even be a factor in this argument? Ah, and why would you be moving your PC away from there all this time? If you're a constant user, wouldn't you instead keep it there? Besides, did you do modding? In most cases, it's far tougher than putting your cable inside your TV.

The PS3 was a console that never needed a hack, end of. All of the things you suggest, are either uneeded by the VAST MAJORITY that is/was satisfied by Sony's services (until people started fucking with games) or are already done better on other devices.

Not only that, mainly, I don't like him becuase HE KNOWINGLY GAVE people the keys for that, he KNEW people would write one themselves and take the fire for him. He isn't DENSE. That is human nature, repeated in console history infintely since the PS1, most notably in the PS2 chips O2, GhostV2, and Crystal Chip. They don't hold any firmware for your own discs. But guess what firmware people flashed on it?

Aiding and abetting, or whatever you type that. In its worst incarnation.

Yes, that probably wasn't the best thing to do, but like that one conversation we had. People were already pirating games with the USB dongles. So it's not like people weren't already playing back-ups. And this way the people that actually wanted to make homebrew had the masterkey and they could dev more easily 

His code makes that easier. Simple. He gave anyone and everyone the keys - many refrained from hacking the PS2 for example because it was tough and expensive. This is neither.

Er... try telling that to the USAF.

We checked in with the Air Force Research Laboratory, which noted its disappointment with the Sony decision. "We will have to continue to use the systems we already have in hand," the lab told Ars, but "this will make it difficult to replace systems that break or fail. The refurbished PS3s also have the problem that when they come back from Sony, they have the firmware (gameOS) and it will not allow Other OS, which seems wrong. We are aware of class-action lawsuits against Sony for taking away this option on systems that use to have it."

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2010/05/how-removing-ps3-linux-hurts-the-air-force.ars

With this hack, the USAF can in fact now replace said computers.  So can the different universities that use PS3 in this way including (same link)

A similar issue will confront academic PS3 clusters, which have sprung up in labs across the country. In 2007, a North Carolina State professor built himself a small cluster that he cobbled together after "he spent a few hours one day in early January driving from store to store to purchase the eight machines."

The University of Massachusetts has 16 machines networked into a cluster called the "Gravity Grid," used to look at gravitational waves and black holes. According to the physicists at UMass, the PS3's "incredibly low cost make[s] it very attractive as a scientific computing node, i.e., part of a compute cluster. In fact, it's highly plausible that the raw computing power-per-dollar that the PS3 offers is significantly higher than anything else on the market today."

So no, the supercomputers were off the shelf PS3s.

Again, you've ignored the fact that modding could be tougher ONCE but provides the benefit of not needing to replace anything.  Doing something complicated once is a lot more convient then doing something two or three times a week for the next 10 years of your life.

Also the VAST MAJORITY of people were happy with ANY unhacked console.   You just didn't used to be a part of that group!

I'll admit being wrong, there - but I did know their systems are specifically modified, hence the assumption.

Also, I don't really get what kind of replacing you're talking about. Lastly, this time, due to the PS3's abundance of functions, the minority left is far smaller. It's just not as important anymore.

Edit: The well-being of the majority is far more important. So far, our well-being is compromised.

Read what the USAF guy said.  When systems break or fail, they won't be able to replace them.  That means not only with new super computer cluseters be able to be made, but the ones already made with be less effective as systems break down and fail... which they will.

As for it being "far smaller" where's your poof?  Outside of... you.   How much smaller is far smaller?

Why isn't it important anymore, again, outside of the fact that it doesn't benefit you.

Edit for your Edit:   Once again, this is different from previous hacks.... how?

You guys just need to stop making excuses and just see the truth of geohot being a malicious enabler.  Legality, common sense, and his personal actions point towards this.  It's just sad some of you would trade the love of gaming for a vendeta against Sony.  Your loss of character, not mine.

I'm being forced to go out to dinner. I'll bbl. You better be on  when I get back, Xen :p

Where's my proof? Gaming boards all over the place. The ones that modded their consoles for imports back in the day or the ones that did so for enhanced media capabilites on their consoles (I.E XBMC for Xbox/SMS for PS2)... oh, whoops, neither needs to do that anymore. Seriously, just read the threads about either and how both are now SIMPLE.

I read what he said, and admitted to being wrong from that. Anything I missed?