elticker said:
Kasz216 said:
Sheeplord said:
Kasz216 said:
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The problem with Libya is that it JUST recently entered the international community, actually due to the strongarm tactics of the Bush administration along with others factors. There is no way for the international community to intervene... they are fully willing to use full force and to go back in on themselves. They'll end up like the protestors in Iran.
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Yemen... despite having little Western ties... was fragile before this started... and there are already some violent opposition groups... but even if they succeed... it probably would only lead to another dictator.
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Firstly, I will say (although it's perhaps the only reddeming feature of the his admin.), Bush did try to have a mission to spread democracy set up in the area, it justwasn't done well and never got funding.
As to the second bit I've copied, that is the problem. Revolution tends to swap one form of corruption for another. It's a whole lot of blood and a whole lot of killing for nothing. Hopefully, they'll get somewhere but it looks like the government isn't after a peaceful transition like Egypt - the kind which does get somewhere.
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It's why I think, despite the opposite of what it seems... that working with dictators is the best way to overthrow them.
The Egyptian Military wanted a peaceful transition because they saw themselves more as the protector of Egypt then working for their "President".
Unlike the rest of the armed forces in Egypt... why did they have this difference in opinion? Well look who trained them. With the right mindset and enough outside support you know a democracy will follow.
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who trained them? i thought egypt trained there soldiers.
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Actually, no. The officers of the Egyptian Army were trained by the US... officers are set to the US usually to the Army War College or the National Defesne University. They do get training in egypt too... but the finishing touches are almost always done in the USA.
Compaired to the police forces and paramilitary forces that were trained by Egyptians.
It's part of the US's general plan for promoting democracy. By hoping that informal contact in the USA will instill western values and democratic ideals... and that said soldiers will then shape the army and allow peaceful transitions to democracy.
The studies in the US college include things like basic human rights and the principle that the army works for the civilians and not the leader. Which was exactly the reason the armys officers were refusing to fire on the egyptians. See the Phillipines for another case of US trained officers.
