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That's a lot of people not getting it.

I think the article is saying that, your cc# is being sent unencrypted.

And the CFW was a tool used to see what info is being sent.

What it means is that, people can sniff that plain text regardless of you using cfw or not.

cfw, in this case, was a simple tool used to see what's going on behind that should be encrypted.

Article is kind of confusing, too. They need better writers.



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Galaki said:

That's a lot of people not getting it.

I think the article is saying that, your cc# is being sent unencrypted.

And the CFW was a tool used to see what info is being sent.

What it means is that, people can sniff that plain text regardless of you using cfw or not.

cfw, in this case, was a simple tool used to see what's going on behind that should be encrypted.

Article is kind of confusing, too. They need better writers.

No read it carefully and if you know the basics about computer security you would understand that the packets ARE being encrtpyed via SSL over http (aka https). This is the same level of security that 360, Wii, Online Banking and most online retailers use. 

 As for the custom firmware part - that refers to custom firmware being created with the aim of stealing your credit card information by having you install there custom firmware and then connect to a server run by the custom firmware author, the author will likely also have the custom firmware trust a custom certficate create by the hacker - thus allowing the hacker to recieve your credit card information (provivded you re-enter it into the PS3, probably on a custom page created specifically for this purpose). 

 As for why the article is poorly written -- i would say that the person who wrote the article is either a teenager upset that he cannot pirate games mommy and daddy won't buy for him anymore or someone with english as a second language. Both possbilites though seem to imply the person has minimal knowledge of how IT security works or is trolling.



Aprisaiden said:
Galaki said:

That's a lot of people not getting it.

I think the article is saying that, your cc# is being sent unencrypted.

And the CFW was a tool used to see what info is being sent.

What it means is that, people can sniff that plain text regardless of you using cfw or not.

cfw, in this case, was a simple tool used to see what's going on behind that should be encrypted.

Article is kind of confusing, too. They need better writers.

No read it carefully and if you know the basics about computer security you would understand that the packets ARE being encrtpyed via SSL over http (aka https). This is the same level of security that 360, Wii, Online Banking and most online retailers use. 

 As for the custom firmware part - that refers to custom firmware being created with the aim of stealing your credit card information by having you install there custom firmware and then connect to a server run by the custom firmware author, the author will likely also have the custom firmware trust a custom certficate create by the hacker - thus allowing the hacker to recieve your credit card information (provivded you re-enter it into the PS3, probably on a custom page created specifically for this purpose). 

 As for why the article is poorly written -- i would say that the person who wrote the article is either a teenager upset that he cannot pirate games mommy and daddy won't buy for him anymore or someone with english as a second language. Both possbilites though seem to imply the person has minimal knowledge of how IT security works or is trolling.


i guess I'll wait for a clearer article, which will pop up sooner or later.



ssj12 said:
twesterm said:
ssj12 said:
Demonslayersoultaker said:
sully1311 said:

I just can't believe they request for the tv you use!

Why wouldn't they, they are in the tv business 


what does it matter? are the going to start banning users for using anything other then a Sony TV? It's information that does not pertain to anything Sony is doing in the Networked Devices Division of Sony.

I think I just figured it all out!

So you know how some people say they can download things from the PSN at lightning speeds and others say it's slow as a snail?  It all must be due to the TV they own!  If Sony sees you're staying the Sony family, you get full bandwidth!

Damnit, why did I have to buy a Samsung TV!?  :-p


No, what is really going to cause the PSN to grind to a halt? OK, the general internet completely will basically stop since so many companies have failed from what I can tell from reports. The end of IPv4 since most ISPs have failed to transition to IPv6.

We still have 6 months or so worth of new IPv4 addresses, i would assume that most ISP's would have support for IPv6 by then. Though i do wonder where this will lead to with NAT since while IPv6 won't need NAT, using NAT as a security measure is a great way to protect your network.



If I'm not mistaken, wouldn't this only endanger people who install CFW?

If so, too bad for them.

Now if this indeed does affect clean users...we got a problem.



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twesterm said:
Demonslayersoultaker said:
superchunk said:
Aprisaiden said:

This seems quite unaccurate concerning the credit card informaiton. First of all SONY uses SSL over HTTPS for your credit card information. This around the same level of security that online banking and most online businesses (eg. Amazon, itunes, steam, Xbox LIVE, etc). And if your wondering, that means that yes - this information is encrypted!


That's seems like it should be an obvious, but I want proof before PSN ever sees my cc.

There isn't even a single case I can think of where someone got someones credit card via psn, isn't that proof?


So you're saying there's not a first time for everything then?

I'm not saying everyone should be super paranoid.  Keep your PS3 clean and you'll probably fine, but sticking your fingers in your ear and yelling NANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANEVER BEEN HACKEDANANANANANANANANANANANANA isn't a good idea either.

The second theres a case of it happening I'll believe but I won't believe some hacker bragging because it's just bs, people lie 



Demonslayersoultaker said:
twesterm said:
Demonslayersoultaker said:
superchunk said:
Aprisaiden said:

This seems quite unaccurate concerning the credit card informaiton. First of all SONY uses SSL over HTTPS for your credit card information. This around the same level of security that online banking and most online businesses (eg. Amazon, itunes, steam, Xbox LIVE, etc). And if your wondering, that means that yes - this information is encrypted!


That's seems like it should be an obvious, but I want proof before PSN ever sees my cc.

There isn't even a single case I can think of where someone got someones credit card via psn, isn't that proof?


So you're saying there's not a first time for everything then?

I'm not saying everyone should be super paranoid.  Keep your PS3 clean and you'll probably fine, but sticking your fingers in your ear and yelling NANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANEVER BEEN HACKEDANANANANANANANANANANANANA isn't a good idea either.

The second theres a case of it happening I'll believe but I won't believe some hacker bragging because it's just bs, people lie 


And that's fine, I'm just saying because it has never happened before isn't a good reason to say something can't happen.

Honestly, if you don't have custom firmware on your PS3 I don't think you have anything to worry about but that doesn't mean I'm too close-minded to think something could never happen.



Aprisaiden said:
ssj12 said:
superchunk said:

only parts that worry me is the uncrypted nature of information being passed back to Sony and what exact details about my home wireless network and what it contains is being transmitted.

i.e. Do they take my network id/pw? files on my shared computers? etc.


Ya, thats a bit worrying. And they call piracy an issue. The fact at the beginning all this went to a server with an http address let alone now an https address is horrifyingly horrid security measures to say the least. I'd basically recommend anyone who owns a PS3 trade their crap in for a 360 or Wii knowing this information or remove all important data like CC details and all that off the PSN at minimum.

Why is that you do not trust HTTPS from PS3, but you trust it with the same CA for 360 and Wii? It is also likely that SONY uses a CA like Verisign which is a common choice among high profile companies and banks. I know that HTTPS isn't perfect but can you imagine the chaos if SONY tried to get PS3 users to use IPsec... (which is nightmare to setup outside of point to point connections)

I can think of 4 reason.



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twesterm said:
Demonslayersoultaker said:
twesterm said:
Demonslayersoultaker said:
superchunk said:
Aprisaiden said:

This seems quite unaccurate concerning the credit card informaiton. First of all SONY uses SSL over HTTPS for your credit card information. This around the same level of security that online banking and most online businesses (eg. Amazon, itunes, steam, Xbox LIVE, etc). And if your wondering, that means that yes - this information is encrypted!


That's seems like it should be an obvious, but I want proof before PSN ever sees my cc.

There isn't even a single case I can think of where someone got someones credit card via psn, isn't that proof?


So you're saying there's not a first time for everything then?

I'm not saying everyone should be super paranoid.  Keep your PS3 clean and you'll probably fine, but sticking your fingers in your ear and yelling NANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANEVER BEEN HACKEDANANANANANANANANANANANANA isn't a good idea either.

The second theres a case of it happening I'll believe but I won't believe some hacker bragging because it's just bs, people lie 


And that's fine, I'm just saying because it has never happened before isn't a good reason to say something can't happen.

Honestly, if you don't have custom firmware on your PS3 I don't think you have anything to worry about but that doesn't mean I'm too close-minded to think something could never happen.

I'm not saying it can't happen I'm just saying it's not happening