By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - Microsoft - WP7 generating revenue comparable to Android for games

disolitude said:
 

The Netflix app is confirmed as legitimate app for "upcoming" Android phones that use Qualcom processors.

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/snapdragon-android-qualcomm-streaming-drm,news-10145.html

No legacy support, no support of other processors (yet), no timeframe...no standardization...which is pretty much expected from android these days.

Faster response? You pulled that out of your left ear as its widely known that WP7 runs faster on lower spec'd phones...

As far as multitasking, its coming in the next major update for WP7 (August)...enjoy - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKhoL_lTXRM

You obviously seem very invested in your android device and don't want your hard work to go unnoticed...why else would you hitting your chest here would be insulting all of the other phones?

While that works for you, it really doesn't work for a lot of people, who want a seamless experience with as little user fiddling as possible. Android is by far the worst device in that regard...

1. I said the apps were coming. You just confirmed it. The processor would have nothing to do with it as its probably more related to software, like Sony's Suite needs Android 2.3. DRM is not hardware based.

2. Faster yes. used both. Granted, my phone is tweaked.

3. Multitasking on iOS and WP7 is not multitasking. Only one app is actually running at a time, the other freezes. (except in case of music..)

Android has really PC style multitasking. Let's say I am on web and running something in browser.. I can go to calendar or something else and that page will keep loading or running etc. Yours won't. It will fail on the page load or whatever or the program will just freeze until you comeback.

Difference is Android is a PC OS turned into a phone OS, while others are pure phone OS trying to do PC work. Not the same. As phones become more powerful this gap will become more apparent. Especially in the tablet market.

Also, while I agree Android has a lot more potential for tinkerers like me, it is just as good out of the box as my wife and buddies with no developer backgrounds and vanilla experiences can attest to.



Around the Network
superchunk said:

Basically, I have a real computer in the palm of my hand while iSheep and WP7 peeps have 'smartphones'.

So basically, because you don't like the experience users get on WP7, you felt the need to come in here and derail the thread without contributing in any meaningful way?



Rainbird said:
superchunk said:

Basically, I have a real computer in the palm of my hand while iSheep and WP7 peeps have 'smartphones'.

So basically, because you don't like the experience users get on WP7, you felt the need to come in here and derail the thread without contributing in any meaningful way?


I mentioned in one post that this comparison was bad due to it not taking into account ad revenue which is where the greater majority of Android app revenue comes from.

From that point on I was also responding to those who responded to me.



Rainbird said:
NYANKS said:

Doesn't the price difference of each make this less impressive?  Far less people have actually bought games, they just make more per sale. 

Android isn't renowned for being a place where users like to pay for a lot of apps, so developers either have to sell for cheap or just be free and get income from ads. The fact that WP7 can generate comparable revenue with prices closer to where developers need them to be, on a userbase that is a fraction of Android's is impressive in its own right. We just don't know what the revenue from ads are for these games on Android, so the comparison isn't totally valid, but still.

Lol.  Also, are they counting Xbox Live games, these phones have that integration right?



superchunk said:
disolitude said:
 

The Netflix app is confirmed as legitimate app for "upcoming" Android phones that use Qualcom processors.

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/snapdragon-android-qualcomm-streaming-drm,news-10145.html

No legacy support, no support of other processors (yet), no timeframe...no standardization...which is pretty much expected from android these days.

Faster response? You pulled that out of your left ear as its widely known that WP7 runs faster on lower spec'd phones...

As far as multitasking, its coming in the next major update for WP7 (August)...enjoy - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKhoL_lTXRM

You obviously seem very invested in your android device and don't want your hard work to go unnoticed...why else would you hitting your chest here would be insulting all of the other phones?

While that works for you, it really doesn't work for a lot of people, who want a seamless experience with as little user fiddling as possible. Android is by far the worst device in that regard...

1. I said the apps were coming. You just confirmed it. The processor would have nothing to do with it as its probably more related to software, like Sony's Suite needs Android 2.3. DRM is not hardware based.

2. Faster yes. used both. Granted, my phone is tweaked.

3. Multitasking on iOS and WP7 is not multitasking. Only one app is actually running at a time, the other freezes. (except in case of music..)

Android has really PC style multitasking. Let's say I am on web and running something in browser.. I can go to calendar or something else and that page will keep loading or running etc. Yours won't. It will fail on the page load or whatever or the program will just freeze until you comeback.

Difference is Android is a PC OS turned into a phone OS, while others are pure phone OS trying to do PC work. Not the same. As phones become more powerful this gap will become more apparent. Especially in the tablet market.

Also, while I agree Android has a lot more potential for tinkerers like me, it is just as good out of the box as my wife and buddies with no developer backgrounds and vanilla experiences can attest to.

1. We can argue all we want but as far as we know, future Snapdragon devices only will get official netflix support for now - http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13970_7-20032131-78.html

2. Sure, but like you said, your phone is tweaked. Plus there is no hardware standardization so every phone runs differently. you never know what you're going to get. Here is an example -

http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/07/lg-optimus-2x-review/

Dual core CPU android phone came out few weeks ago, but its sluggish and buggy.

3. I don't see why anyone would want apps running in background of a phone. It will rape your battery life.

The only apps which should run in the background are music apps (already do on both iOS and WP7) and browser (just tested in WP7 and guess what, it keeps loading a page when you switch).

In any case, there clearly is a market for both sides of the coin for these phones, otherwise iOS and android wouldn't be going head to head. Sure WP7 is a lot more like iOS than Android... but if you consider the market of people who don't need a supercomputer in their pocket, even you have to agree that its pretty well done as a guided experience type of phone.



Around the Network

Now that is interesting.



superchunk said:
Rainbird said:
superchunk said:

Basically, I have a real computer in the palm of my hand while iSheep and WP7 peeps have 'smartphones'.

So basically, because you don't like the experience users get on WP7, you felt the need to come in here and derail the thread without contributing in any meaningful way?

I mentioned in one post that this comparison was bad due to it not taking into account ad revenue which is where the greater majority of Android app revenue comes from.

From that point on I was also responding to those who responded to me.

Fair enough, you did make a small contribution. But if you hadn't derailed the thread to begin with, you wouldn't have any responds to your comment, and the thread would have been nicely on topic all along, so please don't do that another time.



disolitude said:

In any case, there clearly is a market for both sides of the coin for these phones, otherwise iOS and android wouldn't be going head to head. Sure WP7 is a lot more like iOS than Android... but if you consider the market of people who don't need a supercomputer in their pocket, even you have to agree that its pretty well done as a guided experience type of phone.

snipped to cancel more pointless arguing.

Yes, every flavor of phone has its market. However, an Android phone gives you a far larger choice of hardware than iOS and even WP7 (for now). Additionally, the stock experience is just as easy to use and setup as either other OS.

The difference does come in apps where iOS has more and WP7 has less. Additionally, Android apps generally cost less, but may have ads, or be equal in price for ad free.

Basically, I don't see where having a constrained OS like iOS or WP7 somehow makes it a better offering. Its not simplier. It generally has less features and choice.

I think there is a reason that Verizon is just reported to be having a smaller iPhone launch than expected... Android. Unlike AT&T, Verizon has already had a very robust offering of Android devices and as such the consumer base there is predominantly satisfied. Then looking at what's coming up later this year, yeah, Android is simply the best choice.

btw, I think that LG review was bs. Every review I've read on dual core phones (which are all in beta and unreleased) are very positive. Especially the Motorola ones (Atrix and Bionic). Probably just shoddy work by LG. That review says the phone's capabilities were amazing but LG's layer over Android was bad.

That's the benefit of Android, many offerings. Moto/HTC/Sammy/etc will all be out and you can pick and choose the best stock or F them all and open up the phone to tailor it. Personally, I do wish these companies would just leave Android as Google implemented it.



NYANKS said:
Rainbird said:
NYANKS said:

Doesn't the price difference of each make this less impressive?  Far less people have actually bought games, they just make more per sale. 

Android isn't renowned for being a place where users like to pay for a lot of apps, so developers either have to sell for cheap or just be free and get income from ads. The fact that WP7 can generate comparable revenue with prices closer to where developers need them to be, on a userbase that is a fraction of Android's is impressive in its own right. We just don't know what the revenue from ads are for these games on Android, so the comparison isn't totally valid, but still.

Lol.  Also, are they counting Xbox Live games, these phones have that integration right?

I'm pretty sure all three of those are Xbox Live games (Need for Speed and Fruit Ninja are at least), so yes and yes.



Rainbird said:
superchunk said:
Rainbird said:
superchunk said:

Basically, I have a real computer in the palm of my hand while iSheep and WP7 peeps have 'smartphones'.

So basically, because you don't like the experience users get on WP7, you felt the need to come in here and derail the thread without contributing in any meaningful way?

I mentioned in one post that this comparison was bad due to it not taking into account ad revenue which is where the greater majority of Android app revenue comes from.

From that point on I was also responding to those who responded to me.

Fair enough, you did make a small contribution. But if you hadn't derailed the thread to begin with, you wouldn't have any responds to your comment, and the thread would have been nicely on topic all along, so please don't do that another time.

True, I probably should have just left this thread initially. But the report was just such a bad comparison I couldn't help myself. I mean when roxio comes out months ago and says they make $1m a month from just Angry birds on Android, that's pretty impressive and its fully from ads as the game is free. I think a comparison without using ad revenue is just stupid and ignorant.