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IllegalPaladin on 18 February 2011
blaydcor said:
naznatips said:


This is the most incredible thing I have ever read. I think I was moved to tears.


I'm not going to leave the entire quote in there because it is a long read, but I agree with Nazatips, nice write up.



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Baalzamon on 18 February 2011
Ail said:


Didn't say they no longer make payments but they do own the house.

Those numbers come straight from the latest census.

In average home owner owns a little under 50% equity in their house so they obviously are still paying  mortgages.

However you do not need to have 100% equity in your house to be considered a home owner...( otherwise I probably would be one  of the few real home owner in my neighborhood lol).

Ok, I just wanted to make sure what the numbers meant...technically the bank owns the house...and by the way, good for you, I really appreciate people who can take mortgages seriously and pay the damned things off quickly.



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richardhutnik on 18 February 2011

Basic rule of life is: If people who do things that other benefit from, don't eventually get compensated for doing it, they will stop doing it.  I have not pity, no anger or finger wagging at the electronic games industry if they decide they don't want to do PC gaming because of piracy.  They have every right NOT to produce content, if they have a more viable platform, that is easier to code for. 

I also, however, I have no pity for an industry either that would, if it had its druthers, NOT produce demos, not allow rentals, nor allow people to trade in a license they have they no longer want.



Alby_da_Wolf on 18 February 2011
Ail said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
Ail said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:

People that play single player games (or local multiplayer ones) is used to play them without needing an internet connection. Places without high speed connections available are still a lot, and also, almost nobody subscribes to them anyway in their holiday houses, where they stay a small part of the year, even where the connection would be available, and not flat fee subscriptions anyway. Playing through a pay per use connection can quickly become horribly expensive and totally inadmissible just to play. Unless every gamer become filthy reach... Eureka! This is the solution to piracy, the whole humanity must become rich, how could I not think about it before?


With the advent of highspeed smartphones this is quickly not becoming an issue anymore...

It's estimated that by 2013 close to 2 billion people in the world will have smart phones and use those more often than their PC to connect to the web.

So you won't need a wired connection anymore to connect to the net...

PS : and don't start arguing that you don't bring your phone to your vacations spot.....

 

PS2 : so you're arguing that people that can afford a holyday house can not afford an internet connection by the way ?

Good job there !!! Let me let you on a little secret, if you own a summer house, you are already rich...

Unless life become even more expensive, small holiday houses in not luxury places are at middle classes reach. And people that had to save money to buy them and/or renovate them are just the kind of people that won't pay flat fees for phone where they stay a month per year when they are lucky. But yes, cellphones will eventually solve also data connection problems, IF telcos become less greedy. Another problem is that that 2013 estimate is about people connected, but you can bet telcos will keep on investing very little to connect least densely populated areas, so we'll still have slower connections there, if any. And a further problem is Occam's razor, for single player and local multiplayer it will still be a solution more complex than others. Then there is the other problem: people won't pay subscriptions for single player, so, even if the cost for servers will drop, it will still be a huge cost in the long term that will have to be fully funded by the first and only payment for the licence, unless the business model switches to subscription also for single player, but it remains to be seen whether gaamers would accept it, particularly if other competing companies will stick to models more advantageous and less costly on the long run for the buyer (and also on the short term if fees will be too high). And another problem: leaner companies, outsiders, indies, or even big but still nimble companies that don't just follow the herd but try to emerge from it or even guide it, that manage to profit even accepting a piracy rate higher than on consoles, don't stop to wait for bigger companies to catch up, and each time the latter overlook the PC market and leave some room available, they quickly fill it. The OP's linked article rant is actually giving voice to bigger and less nimble companies' fear, rage and hatred, as they are mad to discover that the PC market isn't dead as they believed and every share of it they gave up is lost forever.

67% of americans own their house.

6% own a second house.

That's not middle class, sorry......

Of that 6% only a small share are luxury ones, and not the whole middle classes choose to buy a second house and, last, with the average American income, many more people could afford a second house if consumerism weren't excessive and left some more money in their pockets. Anyhow, how many people go on holiday renting houses? More than second house owners, and if they don't rent luxury houses, a fast internet connection won't be included most probably. The same applies for people going on holiday in cheap hotels, or in exotic but still low cost places, or in isolated places, outside of big and mid sized towns, the places where telcos don't bring high speed connections are still in very large number, and, as I wrote, unless telcos don't change their attitude, using cellphones for data connection for a long time like game sessions is totally unaffordable for most families. Also, if so many families still have to pay their mortgages, there are even more excellent reasons to avoid any avoidable extra expenditure, and having to pay for a second connection to play single player when you're away from your main home is definitely an avoidable and totally unuseful expenditure, IMVHO.  Finally, some SW houses can try what you suggest, but any unuseful (for the buyer) complication and extra cost will make them lose market shares in favour of SW houses not imposing them.



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Garnett on 18 February 2011
Pristine20 said:

My question is who exactly leaks this stuff online? couldn't possibly be the end user if its pre-release.They then blame it on PC gamers...wtf? Piracy wont be an option if these things weren't just sitting there. The torrent sites are obvious to everyone yet they're tsill there untouched, unpeturbed and unruffled. Who is to blame? Nowadays, you can get songs directly off legit sites like youtube using legitimate freeware and other legitimate sites...is that piracy too?

The problem with the whole "piracy" debate is that unlike actual theft, it's nothing but blurred lines. When a game is leaked way before the release, I get the feeling that an actual employee is responsible. How this ends up blamed on the end user is beyond me.

I was thinking the same thing... 



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Zlejedi on 04 March 2011

http://www.crunchgear.com/2011/03/03/dragon-age-2-for-xbox-360-leaks-how-will-this-be-blamed-on-pc-gamers/

 

So do you guys think there will be follow up on this article or will Jim Sterling prove he is just another double standards gaming "journalist" ?



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