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psrock on 14 February 2011
irstupid said:

i think your top selling psp games shows my point.

those games, besides ones that are btter as handheld experiences, SELL better on consoles.

Only one that isn't a better console seller is MH, and as i said, it is a better handheld game. Are the controls better on handheld for it?  NO the handheld controls suck from what i've heard.  BUT it didn't stop millions from buying it.  The controls on the consoles are vasely better and yet doesn't come close to its handheld sales.

Now WHY would a game that looks better, controls better, has more stuff/features and all around a better game not sell even close to as much as its handheld versions?   Its obvious, its cause the game at heart is a handheld game.  Just like people prefer to play cards with REAL cards than on the computer.  Portable games are best as portable games, and console games are best as console games.

If a MH4 came out on PS3 and NGP simultaniously, you can bet your shiny dollar that the NGP version will destroy the PS3's version sales.  Just like if Pokemon was finally made finally on a console, say the Wii, it would not even come close to the handhelds sales.  EVEN if it was a 3DS launch title, thus a userbase of 0 vs the Wii's 85 million.   There is a reason that Nintendo doesn't make a Nintendog's for the Wii, or many other games they ahve on the handheld. They know what type of game it is, and what system to best use it on.  

I think you are confusing casual games with Hardcore games. Any game can be made portable with the right control. And you are using Japan which is an  handheld country to prove your point. 

Why is the COD games sell more on the HD than the Wii, why do 360 FPS sell better in the ps3, It has nothing to do with handheld or console but userbase. The PSP in japan is where MH userbase lies. That's why no matter how good a console version is , it wont sell more. That's why any DQ wont sell more than the DS version, it's about userbase. 

You get a good version of any game on any console that's marketable, it will sell and build an audience. And the reason the PSP fizzle is due to its terrible controls, and funny it gets tons of support too. The great thing is Sony is fixing that which I am very happy. 



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irstupid on 14 February 2011
psrock said:
irstupid said:

i think your top selling psp games shows my point.

those games, besides ones that are btter as handheld experiences, SELL better on consoles.

Only one that isn't a better console seller is MH, and as i said, it is a better handheld game. Are the controls better on handheld for it?  NO the handheld controls suck from what i've heard.  BUT it didn't stop millions from buying it.  The controls on the consoles are vasely better and yet doesn't come close to its handheld sales.

Now WHY would a game that looks better, controls better, has more stuff/features and all around a better game not sell even close to as much as its handheld versions?   Its obvious, its cause the game at heart is a handheld game.  Just like people prefer to play cards with REAL cards than on the computer.  Portable games are best as portable games, and console games are best as console games.

If a MH4 came out on PS3 and NGP simultaniously, you can bet your shiny dollar that the NGP version will destroy the PS3's version sales.  Just like if Pokemon was finally made finally on a console, say the Wii, it would not even come close to the handhelds sales.  EVEN if it was a 3DS launch title, thus a userbase of 0 vs the Wii's 85 million.   There is a reason that Nintendo doesn't make a Nintendog's for the Wii, or many other games they ahve on the handheld. They know what type of game it is, and what system to best use it on.  

I think you are confusing casual games with Hardcore games. Any game can be made portable with the right control. And you are using Japan which is an  handheld country to prove your point. 

Why is the COD games sell more on the HD than the Wii, why do 360 FPS sell better in the ps3, It has nothing to do with handheld or console but userbase. The PSP in japan is where MH userbase lies. That's why no matter how good a console version is , it wont sell more. That's why any DQ wont sell more than the DS version, it's about userbase. 

You get a good version of any game on any console that's marketable, it will sell and build an audience. And the reason the PSP fizzle is due to its terrible controls, and funny it gets tons of support too. The great thing is Sony is fixing that which I am very happy. 

well we will see who is right

you apparantly believe that it was control that the psp needed fixing

i feel it is games.  i'm not saying the ngp has bad games, they are amazing games, just not amazing portable games.



Grimes on 14 February 2011

Hmm, the PSP doesn't have a single bestselling game that is unique to the system. That's a problem.



Anyone can guess. It takes no effort to throw out lots of predictions and have some of them be correct. You are not and wiser or better for having your guesses be right. Even a blind man can hit the bullseye.

psrock on 15 February 2011
irstupid said:
psrock said:
irstupid said:

 

well we will see who is right

you apparantly believe that it was control that the psp needed fixing

i feel it is games.  i'm not saying the ngp has bad games, they are amazing games, just not amazing portable games.

Because you think Nintendogs is an amazing portable game, right?

Or when you played those NGP games, they did not feel right. 90% of the 3DS games are console games, I see you going gaga over them, yet the same thing is hurting the PSP. What you don't realize is, NGP is getting most of these games too. 

Watch these videos and tell me how many console games are played like this. http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/27/the-sony-psp2/



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irstupid on 15 February 2011
Grimes said:

Hmm, the PSP doesn't have a single bestselling game that is unique to the system. That's a problem.


that's my point.   too many "its on home console" games

as said lets see who is right between me and psrock

Sony did not change its games from PSP, but did change its controls.  So lets see if this dual analog is what the psp truly was missing or if as i believe its missing the key component to handheld systems.  Handheld focused games.  A home console game just on a portable is not a different experience.  well actually it kind of is, and its never better.  there is a reason those games are on consoles and not on handhelds.  

i didn't buy a handheld cause i'm so addicted to GTA that i need my fix when not at home.  I buy a handheld so i can play professor layton, or elite beat agents or pokemon.   I myself have made the mistake as well of buying games or remakes/ports that i LOVED on the console for my handheld and guess what?  they sit on my shelf and never get played.  same as on home console, there have been games i loved on my handheld that bought similar games on console and not liked at all.  

uncharted was a great game on the ps3, but i for the life of me can't imagine wanting to play that on a handheld at all. 



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Grimes on 15 February 2011
psrock said:
irstupid said:
psrock said:
irstupid said:

 

well we will see who is right

you apparantly believe that it was control that the psp needed fixing

i feel it is games.  i'm not saying the ngp has bad games, they are amazing games, just not amazing portable games.

Because you think Nintendogs is an amazing portable game, right?

Or when you played those NGP games, they did not feel right. 90% of the 3DS games are console games, I see you going gaga over them, yet the same thing is hurting the PSP. What you don't realize is, NGP is getting most of these games too. 

Watch these videos and tell me how many console games are played like this. http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/27/the-sony-psp2/


Nintendogs is an amazing game for the audience it's catering to. That's why the DS is a success, because it had games that would sell systems, such as Nintendogs or Brain Training. These games sell in the tens of millions. AND they sell systems in the tens of millions.



Anyone can guess. It takes no effort to throw out lots of predictions and have some of them be correct. You are not and wiser or better for having your guesses be right. Even a blind man can hit the bullseye.

psrock on 15 February 2011
irstupid said:
Grimes said:

Hmm, the PSP doesn't have a single bestselling game that is unique to the system. That's a problem.


that's my point.   too many "its on home console" games

as said lets see who is right between me and psrock

Sony did not change its games from PSP, but did change its controls.  So lets see if this dual analog is what the psp truly was missing or if as i believe its missing the key component to handheld systems.  Handheld focused games.  A home console game just on a portable is not a different experience.  well actually it kind of is, and its never better.  there is a reason those games are on consoles and not on handhelds.  

i didn't buy a handheld cause i'm so addicted to GTA that i need my fix when not at home.  I buy a handheld so i can play professor layton, or elite beat agents or pokemon.   I myself have made the mistake as well of buying games or remakes/ports that i LOVED on the console for my handheld and guess what?  they sit on my shelf and never get played.  same as on home console, there have been games i loved on my handheld that bought similar games on console and not liked at all.  

uncharted was a great game on the ps3, but i for the life of me can't imagine wanting to play that on a handheld at all. 

I buy the PSP because of these games:

Jeanne D'Arc, Patapon, Crisis Core, MH, Final Fantasy Dissidia, Daxter, GTA CHINATOWN (amazing game), Syphon Filter, MDG5 and there are way more. Those are games made for the PSP, great games but they still were missing that great control they will find on the NGP. 

You keep saying people  don't want a console game on a handheld yet, SMB is at 20 million plus on both the DS and the Wii. Mario Kart sells great on both handheld and console. You will find tons of Wii games on the DS. 

What the PSP is missing is casual games which Sony was not going for, it has nothing to do with handheld or console. Nothing. 

 



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irstupid on 15 February 2011
psrock said:
irstupid said:
psrock said:
irstupid said:

 

well we will see who is right

you apparantly believe that it was control that the psp needed fixing

i feel it is games.  i'm not saying the ngp has bad games, they are amazing games, just not amazing portable games.

Because you think Nintendogs is an amazing portable game, right?

Or when you played those NGP games, they did not feel right. 90% of the 3DS games are console games, I see you going gaga over them, yet the same thing is hurting the PSP. What you don't realize is, NGP is getting most of these games too. 

Watch these videos and tell me how many console games are played like this. http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/27/the-sony-psp2/

my tastes aren't everything.  i don't play animal crossing or nintendogs, or many other insane sellers on the 3ds.  i also don't find guchi purses amazing either, does that mean they suck ass?  or wait i'm a guy so that doesn't interest me at all.  Nintendogs is not made for me.  I am done with you after this.  Anyone that brings up a game obviously not made for them and says "you think this is a good game, sarcastically" is a complete utter fool and should be reported just so we look less dumb on this site.  Gamers are the most self centered, selfish, imature people ever.  i have been to tons of forums for all topics and i never find such petty people than i do on gaming forums.  I find the opera stupid, just like some girl might find football stupid.  Doesn't mean i should bash her for going to the opera.  let her do her thing and me do my thing.  If millions want to play nintendogs, why should you care?  does it really hurt you that only 3 million people play uncharted and 20 million play nintendogs?  do you feel a lesser man somehow and by making fun of nintendogs you gained back some manliness?

on to next:  i've seen all the videos, no need to post them.  that one game is basically a monkey ball rip off with a back sensor.  then tons of console games on hanhdled, and littered as well with tech demoes of stuff.  How about you think of that ds game where you shoot a card and play with this 3d card in real life.  that looks neat too but i am realistic and don't expect much from it.  its not going to revolutionize gaming.  just like half those videos of ngp games like the fighting one 

i'm not buying a 3ds for zelda or kid icarus or wahtever else games i am exited for that are seemingly console games.  those are just bonus' and i already know that zelda in the past has worked as a handhled.  and as i said, there are many games on handheld i have bought thinking i would like them cause their console versions rocked and even though they are exactly the same it has just not felt right on the handheld.  

i have never like playing gta, gt, cod, ac or many other on psp.  can't get into them.  they just don't feel like they belong.  yes i like playing those games and have many hours many hours on them for their home console versions.  



irstupid on 15 February 2011
psrock said:
irstupid said:
Grimes said:

Hmm, the PSP doesn't have a single bestselling game that is unique to the system. That's a problem.


that's my point.   too many "its on home console" games

as said lets see who is right between me and psrock

Sony did not change its games from PSP, but did change its controls.  So lets see if this dual analog is what the psp truly was missing or if as i believe its missing the key component to handheld systems.  Handheld focused games.  A home console game just on a portable is not a different experience.  well actually it kind of is, and its never better.  there is a reason those games are on consoles and not on handhelds.  

i didn't buy a handheld cause i'm so addicted to GTA that i need my fix when not at home.  I buy a handheld so i can play professor layton, or elite beat agents or pokemon.   I myself have made the mistake as well of buying games or remakes/ports that i LOVED on the console for my handheld and guess what?  they sit on my shelf and never get played.  same as on home console, there have been games i loved on my handheld that bought similar games on console and not liked at all.  

uncharted was a great game on the ps3, but i for the life of me can't imagine wanting to play that on a handheld at all. 

I buy the PSP because of these games:

Jeanne D'Arc, Patapon, Crisis Core, MH, Final Fantasy Dissidia, Daxter, GTA CHINATOWN (amazing game), Syphon Filter, MDG5 and there are way more. Those are games made for the PSP, great games but they still were missing that great control they will find on the NGP. 

You keep saying people  don't want a console game on a handheld yet, SMB is at 20 million plus on both the DS and the Wii. Mario Kart sells great on both handheld and console. You will find tons of Wii games on the DS. 

What the PSP is missing is casual games which Sony was not going for, it has nothing to do with handheld or console. Nothing. 

 

i said some games do sell on both the same.  But more than not don't.  gta chinatown was changed, it was made with handheld in mind.  i'm talking about the many many ohter and earlier psp games, that were basically direct ports of ps2 games.  as of right now it seems sony is doing the same thing.

if they do something unique and make say uncharted a handheld experience then thats different.  but if its just uncharted on wheels, then they screwed up again.  And no i'm not talking about clicking on walls to climb or other gimicky things they showed in thier demos.



psrock on 15 February 2011
Grimes said:
psrock said:
irstupid said:
psrock said:
irstupid said:

 

well we will see who is right

you apparantly believe that it was control that the psp needed fixing

i feel it is games.  i'm not saying the ngp has bad games, they are amazing games, just not amazing portable games.

Because you think Nintendogs is an amazing portable game, right?

Or when you played those NGP games, they did not feel right. 90% of the 3DS games are console games, I see you going gaga over them, yet the same thing is hurting the PSP. What you don't realize is, NGP is getting most of these games too. 

Watch these videos and tell me how many console games are played like this. http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/27/the-sony-psp2/


Nintendogs is an amazing game for the audience it's catering to. That's why the DS is a success, because it had games that would sell systems, such as Nintendogs or Brain Training. These games sell in the tens of millions. AND they sell systems in the tens of millions.

And those types of games sell just as well on the Wii, the console. 



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