Probably being a realist.

Its a sad day when the foundation of a Democracy may lead worries about a war with Israel. I can only hope they pursue the Turkish model, and keep the peace in the area, or they may find them in a worse situation down the road.

Democracy and free markets will help lead Egypt to prosperity. It may cause some issues in the beginning, but securing lasting trade and production agreements with other democracies will be in Egypt's best interests.

@Xen - I hope everything goes well with you and the nation of Israel. Certainly have to be praying for the peace of Jerusalem now.

Yep I'm talking about the same Brotherhood. While they appear more moderate now they used to have an armed wing which we would call terrorists. From what I've heard reported the BrotherHood is pro-strict sharia law and also a supporter of Hamas and Hezbullah.

Also yes your right in a democracy the Egyptians will choose the Government. I just hope that some political parties are formed that will ensure Egypt remains on the path of human rights and peace. A government that supports Hamas and Hezbullah would be very bad for Egypt and peace in the middle east.

As Mr.Bubbles said the west is alittle concerned if an extremist group or supporter of extremist groups got in control it could lead to a new huge war in the middle east. We all know that any huge war in the middle east will only bring repression , pain and suffering and hatred. Thousands to millions could die and even more would be displaced.

Plus we all know Israel would kick Egypt, Lebanon and Hamas's butts if another huge war occured. If they ever looked like they were loosing the west would come in and rescue them. Either way it would be a disaster for Egyptian's Palestinian's , Lebanese and Israeli's.

Nobody would make any gains in a war and who ever wins the war would still have lost far more then they could possibly gain.

whats sad is all America cares about is that they keep their to their treaties with Israel.. its rather pathetic. New leadership and change in government should equal all old agreements are void.

That's not practical in the least.  That would actually be an extremely stupid way to start off your country and basically set it up for ruin from the start as you'd be far to stretched politically to do shit internally.

Any smart government would ignore all foreign policy issues until the domestic issues are addressed and they make sure they have a strong foundation.

I agree, hence why ignoring all agreements in the region, and not doing what the US wants, would benefit them hugely.

Not when Egypt relies heavily on the US for aid and trade. Egypt also has good relations with several US allies. Disregarding the peace treaties would most definatly lead to repurcutions. Also a war would hardly be a good way to start a Government. It's smart for the Egyptian Government to honour current agreements.

P.S - I don't think everyone in the west is more concerned that the Egyptian Government holds to its agreements. They are mostly concerned for Egypts welfare human rights and yes the idea of not seeing tens of thousands of egyptians die getting their asses whiped by Israel.

By destroying their government because they are forced to negotiate with every single country in the reason while trying to also strengthen their domestic base and ensure their political futures?

I mean, did you read what I wrote.

The new government will have a fucking hard enough time as it is to bring the armed forces under their control.

The governments military agreed to oversee the transition, however the truth it... I'm pretty sure the military isn't even 1/3rd of the countries fighting forces.   Most of the military power was centralized in police forces and paramilitary groups.

By spreading themselves so thin and by changing everything about foreign policy so rapidly they would just be inviting the loyalists to stage their of cu de tat.

Even if they dont.  You are basically provoking ALL of your neighbors while your army is 1/3rd what it previously was.  

No.  The smart play would be to build up the base of the country, don't provoke the paramilitaries by keeping foreign policy the same... and develop unmoveable support.   You wouldn't want to change anything foreign policy for at least 5 years at least.

What is needed is fast domestic change while practically all out ignoring foreign issues.  It's the only way to ensure real democracy.

we will see about that as i am sure there will be a war between israel and egypt but i don't forsee it until atleast 20 to 30 years when egypt has established itself. I am an egyptain and currently i don't want war with israel but in the future when we get pwoerful enough i want us to help palestine by stopping all the land israel is getting by stealing it from the original owners and keep peace between them, but if another war is to happen i hope israel doesn't resort to nuclear weapons threat so that the usa could support them like they did in 1973. Also take in mind that the yum kippur war was only syria and egypt, saudi arabia, jordan, all the oil countries didn't participate until the war was almost over.

 also if they listened to saad elshazly we would have tactically won as they disobeyed him and thats why the israeli counterattack was so successful. i have to admit that the israeli commando performance was great which in part led to the disruption of our communication which was also a major factor in the breakdown of our defenses. also many claim that the 1973 war convinced arabs that israel is undefeatable buti believe and so many egyptains that we can beat israel if we go to another war, however i don't want to go to war as egyptains will be killed in the war.

the israeli airforce was superior to the egyptain air force.

reading saad elshazly life is soo sad. he was the reason of the success and they sacked him and prisoned him, i bet if sadat listened to elshazly we would have tactically won.

he is literaly a war hero. he is appreciated by every egyptain as the reason for our success in the yum kippur war. he died a day before mubarak leaving pwoer a huge military parade was organised to honour his service