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Robbie2010 on 11 February 2011
Soonerman said:
Spankey said:
Baalzamon said:
Spankey said:
twesterm said:

Man, they should have really gotten a judge that knows what's going on.  She kees going back and forth because she keeps misunderstanding just exactly how things work.

As I said in another thread, I don't think they'll find anything surprising about the hacks on his hard drive, I'm betting they're looking for proof that he pirates games.

That would get them:

1. If he pirates games then he must be making the hack to pirate games

2. It would go against what he told the community and hopefully make his lose face (though I doubt it)

3. If anything, have to pay fines for pirating games.


probably not just games - Sony could look for and possibly find pirated stuff of theirs in the form of videos or music too...their catalog is huge

but it looks like that even if they do find the stuff, if it doesn't relate to the PS3 cracking/hacking they can't use it in this case at this time.

They might be able to bring a separate suit for the other stuff, but then surely the evidence would be inadmissible?

They have no right to be searching that stuff though, he could just counter sue their asses back for accessing stuff of his that they weren't ever given permission to access.

for sure - but maybe - and it's a big maybe - Sony could use evidence of other pirated materials as "proof" or at least an indication that he might have the intention of distributing copyright materials and could use that to shoot down his so called pure intention not to allow his hacks to run pirated software on PS3's.

I.E. they might be able to relate this stuff to the case at hand (stuff related directly to PS3 hacking is the current extent of the order) - but as you said it would be a gamble that might end poorly for Sony.


There's no maybe here. IF the order is looking for something specific, ANYTHING ELSE is unadmissible plain simple.


"plain view" applies in this case, for example if cops get a such warrant for drugs in a house and instead find an underage prostitutionj ring well guess what it is admissable, same if the point of looking in a HDD for illeagal software and instead find child pornagraphy well still admissable



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radiantshadow92 on 11 February 2011
880user088 said:

they want his porn movies.... that he used to watch while hacking the PS3 :P


its a conspiracy! 



880user088 on 12 February 2011
radiantshadow92 said:
880user088 said:

they want his porn movies.... that he used to watch while hacking the PS3 :P


its a conspiracy! 




TheNoobHolocaust on 12 February 2011

Oh Noez! they might find his Pronz!!!




Get your Portable ID!

Don86 on 12 February 2011

In the mean time, geohot must be enjoying all the attention he's getting :P



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twesterm on 12 February 2011
Robbie2010 said:
Soonerman said:
Spankey said:
Baalzamon said:
Spankey said:
twesterm said:

Man, they should have really gotten a judge that knows what's going on.  She kees going back and forth because she keeps misunderstanding just exactly how things work.

As I said in another thread, I don't think they'll find anything surprising about the hacks on his hard drive, I'm betting they're looking for proof that he pirates games.

That would get them:

1. If he pirates games then he must be making the hack to pirate games

2. It would go against what he told the community and hopefully make his lose face (though I doubt it)

3. If anything, have to pay fines for pirating games.


probably not just games - Sony could look for and possibly find pirated stuff of theirs in the form of videos or music too...their catalog is huge

but it looks like that even if they do find the stuff, if it doesn't relate to the PS3 cracking/hacking they can't use it in this case at this time.

They might be able to bring a separate suit for the other stuff, but then surely the evidence would be inadmissible?

They have no right to be searching that stuff though, he could just counter sue their asses back for accessing stuff of his that they weren't ever given permission to access.

for sure - but maybe - and it's a big maybe - Sony could use evidence of other pirated materials as "proof" or at least an indication that he might have the intention of distributing copyright materials and could use that to shoot down his so called pure intention not to allow his hacks to run pirated software on PS3's.

I.E. they might be able to relate this stuff to the case at hand (stuff related directly to PS3 hacking is the current extent of the order) - but as you said it would be a gamble that might end poorly for Sony.


There's no maybe here. IF the order is looking for something specific, ANYTHING ELSE is unadmissible plain simple.


"plain view" applies in this case, for example if cops get a such warrant for drugs in a house and instead find an underage prostitutionj ring well guess what it is admissable, same if the point of looking in a HDD for illeagal software and instead find child pornagraphy well still admissable

Also remember that if they see, say, a link to what looks like a pirated game on his desktop or bit torrent, that is very relevant to the case.

The case is about two things:

1. Breaking and leaking the PS3's inner most security

2. Doing the above to allow the pirating of games.



 

Soonerman on 17 February 2011
Robbie2010 said:
Soonerman said:
Spankey said:
Baalzamon said:
Spankey said:
twesterm said:

Man, they should have really gotten a judge that knows what's going on.  She kees going back and forth because she keeps misunderstanding just exactly how things work.

As I said in another thread, I don't think they'll find anything surprising about the hacks on his hard drive, I'm betting they're looking for proof that he pirates games.

That would get them:

1. If he pirates games then he must be making the hack to pirate games

2. It would go against what he told the community and hopefully make his lose face (though I doubt it)

3. If anything, have to pay fines for pirating games.


probably not just games - Sony could look for and possibly find pirated stuff of theirs in the form of videos or music too...their catalog is huge

but it looks like that even if they do find the stuff, if it doesn't relate to the PS3 cracking/hacking they can't use it in this case at this time.

They might be able to bring a separate suit for the other stuff, but then surely the evidence would be inadmissible?

They have no right to be searching that stuff though, he could just counter sue their asses back for accessing stuff of his that they weren't ever given permission to access.

for sure - but maybe - and it's a big maybe - Sony could use evidence of other pirated materials as "proof" or at least an indication that he might have the intention of distributing copyright materials and could use that to shoot down his so called pure intention not to allow his hacks to run pirated software on PS3's.

I.E. they might be able to relate this stuff to the case at hand (stuff related directly to PS3 hacking is the current extent of the order) - but as you said it would be a gamble that might end poorly for Sony.


There's no maybe here. IF the order is looking for something specific, ANYTHING ELSE is unadmissible plain simple.


"plain view" applies in this case, for example if cops get a such warrant for drugs in a house and instead find an underage prostitutionj ring well guess what it is admissable, same if the point of looking in a HDD for illeagal software and instead find child pornagraphy well still admissable


The difference here is that underage prostitution is illegal. If the guy is copying games is not illegal. The distribution of those games IS illegal. I'm sure the guy is not dumb enough to distribute through his PS3.



NotStan on 17 February 2011

One big waste of time and resources that could be employed elsewhere. This situation is steadily getting out of hand.



Disconnect and self destruct, one bullet a time.

bobbert on 17 February 2011

I'm just afraid that Sony wants the HDD to try and figure out how he finds trade secrets of the other big companies (MS, Apple), or he may possibly have some of that information already on the disk. A chance to do that could be worth every penny to Sony.



ssj12 on 17 February 2011
twesterm said:

Man, they should have really gotten a judge that knows what's going on.  She kees going back and forth because she keeps misunderstanding just exactly how things work.

As I said in another thread, I don't think they'll find anything surprising about the hacks on his hard drive, I'm betting they're looking for proof that he pirates games.

That would get them:

1. If he pirates games then he must be making the hack to pirate games

2. It would go against what he told the community and hopefully make his lose face (though I doubt it)

3. If anything, have to pay fines for pirating games.

And what if he doesnt?



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