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trashleg said:

i still vote for ABC, sure he's been a lot clearer now but he has been practically reprimanded for the way he was carrying himself throughout the first few pages. Anyone can act differently once they've been told "You're acting scummy". If he survives the lynch I'd like him to be investigated, but I'm not going to abstain from voting for him just to wait for investigation results. That's a waste of time and he's still who I'd regard as the most suspicious in the game. He's been jumping about (verbally) all over the place. I don't know what his role is and neither does anyone, except for the mafia who obv. know whether or not he's one of them.I don't see the point of FoS on ABC anymore, he knows I suspect him.

1) Just for clarity, do you mean you'd like him investigated if he's not lynched today? If he's lynched but doesn't die then I think it's pretty safe to say he'll definitely be the night kill. I can't imagine a role such as mafia unlynchable.

trashleg said:

right. see this post, why was ABC apparently going along with the "prof will check people out thing"

why didn't he just say what he'd meant, that he wanted to check out prof.?

if that was me and id said something so vague and potentially dangerously ambiguous, id be shitting myself trying to clarify.

i know i seem to be keeping it purely on ABC, but he IS the one im suspicious of. im looking for evidence of that. gimme 4 or 5 hours to sleep and i'll be back to check out wonk and stefl. promise.

2) Are you always so overly cautious?

trashleg said:

theprof00 said:

 1) Listen, you said 192 posts overnight. @192 posts ago that was 28 hours ago. 

So maybe it didn't say 192. I don't know. All I know is what you said, and I put it into context.

You can SAY that you aren't trying to make it look like anything, but that doesn't make it so. Your words hold absolutely zero weight until you are cleared.

 

2)  What it looked like to me is that you were shouldering the burden on us by saying we talk to much for you to keep up. That's what it looks like PERIOD. I'm sorry if you don't feel that way, but I can't just believe whatever you say. I see the facts and I see discrepancy there. "I made a mistake" does not automatically remove that evidence, just as someone saying, "I'm a townie!" does not make them so.


3) as far as being calm as a scum trait, it is what it is. Mafia don't have the same suspicions and paranoia that townies do. I caught Hatmoza twice for being calm. 


4) Also, and though I know it's not your fault, Heph's glossing over of your 192 post statement makes me think he's covering for you, but that's an argument for a different time.

chill. i know that. why not have the cop investigate me tonight if you're so concerned? but tbh, even from a completely objective perspective there are more suspicious people out there and i hope the cop picks up on that. i know the craic.

2) it may have looked like that, and i cant make you trust me, but thats really not how it was. its been a fast game, thats all i said. and people frequently comment that the fast ones can be hard to catch up, especially for those players in "minority" timezones.

3) or maybe im just calm in general right now? im hopeful that the scum will be found out easy enough so i dont HAVE to defend myself too much, obviously. no-one wants to be the focus of attention.

4) heph is being nice to me bcos, i believe, of the personal shit and irl he's probs a nice person. believe that or not. this is just a game, no matter how intense it may get. the only conversation i've had with him this game has been largely banter/heph answering my general questions about the game etc. there is not one suspicious bit of conversation there.

3) I quite dislike responding within a post. It makes further replies very difficult, so I went to the trouble of "fixing" your post.

1) About the "192 posts overnight" thing: Even if it wasn't exact, it's either an exaggeration which means you read even more posts without commenting on anything, or it's an understatement(which I find unlikely) since your last post was many more before that.

Now the issue I have with this post is that if you're a townie, then you know for a fact that the cop investigating you would be a wasted night, and so it shouldn't even be suggested. Not only that, but most likely the cop wouldn't come out just to confirm you're a townie and thus it wouldn't even address prof's concerns.(you may say that nobody coming forward with a vote on you would be confirmation, but only the cop would know if they actually target you or someone else) As mafia it'd be a perfect statement of no fear to avoid an investigation, and since you point out "objectively" there are better targets anyway it seems like you could be buying time to find the cop before he finds you.

4) I also see it like Heph is covering for you, and while he is a nice guy, I don't like the way you're dismissing the possibility of Heph buddying up to you.

FoS: Trashleg

What is craic?

trashleg said:
theprof00 said:
Hephaestos said:

guys is plural but whatever...


Yes but YOU make it appear that she is responding to noname, when she is addressing you both. 

It is my fault for the miscommunication though, I meat to write "you also"


stop picking apart something so trivial.

i was talking to EVERYONE. i meant "dont let what i've just said about my personal life detract from the game"

4) I do believe that this was the case. It's how I read it at the time at least, though it didn't exactly strike me as townish either. I'd think mafia would want EVERYONE to throw accusations around to keep the townies in a state of confusion.

trashleg said:

i didn't go to sleep last night, i've been up for about 36 hours? (but i've been at uni for 2 days out of that, so dont be mad if im not posting incessantly. just wanted to say that).

my vote is, as before, on ABC. for reasons already stated that have not been justified. that is my vote and those ar my reasons, i'm not expecting agreement or approval.

and i'd quite like a timelimit, dont want to be stuck on day 1 forever. the longer this day goes on the longer it will take.

Trucks, please, a short timelimit? By now we should all be "in" the game, surely? :)

5) HoS: trashleg See the reasoning for Heph's HoS.



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Thanks for all the input on everyone linkz. (just a little nervous that all those players are ones that I have "interrogated", except for republic, who I'm concerned about simply due to trangentspree which isn't republic's fault.)

Anyway, to answer your post on myself, I only really see the second post as answerable. However, thank you for taking a closer look at the situation. Like I said, as time goes on, he will be in the spotlight again. I may or may not defend him again depending on whether I'm alive and what kind of information abounds, but for now, thanks.

Getting back to that paragraph, I will play even if one or both turn up town. I'm over it.  I have to admit that upon review of trashlegs responses she was very cooperative, as I think I said above somewhere. I just really felt a passive aggressiveness and Heph joining in saying I was bullying people just put me over the edge. I don't like being ganged up on, but I can see that I fell into the "I will have the last word" game with trash and I'm sorry for that. But you're right (in your post to Heph, and something I mentioned previous to it) I never pressed her for info. I said what I said and that was it.HoS; moved on. I still don't specifically see it as bullying, but I do think there was something perhaps authoritative.



theprof00 said:
Thanks for all the input on everyone linkz. (just a little nervous that all those players are ones that I have "interrogated", except for republic, who I'm concerned about simply due to trangentspree which isn't republic's fault.)

What did trangent do that you are suspicious of?  Absenteeism isn't the same as lurking; and then he asked to be replaced and was.  Do you think he was lurking as well?  Or something else?



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Stefl1504 said:

If you wonder why I made the murderous in italic... I was reffering to this post where noname wrote murderous in italic.

Against gut feeling I cannot do anything, but considering I played Mafia the last two round I myself tend to act and think like mafia, even though I am not...

Also I would not consider my actions lurking in a normal game, its just that I don't happen to have much time right now (okay, to be honest I do play a lot of PC right now), but in this game, yeah I am the major lurker because everyone posts a lot...

Wait, weren't you the cop two rounds ago?

Stefl1504 said:

While I do not prefer no lynches on the first day, I did grow accustomed to them. I still think not lynching ABC now, could turn out to be a mistake later on, also I would reject any other person than him right now. While his gameplay significaly got better since he switched to robot mode, I still think some of his interactions with other players are scummy.

Care to elaborate?



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theprof00 said:

1) Thanks for all the input on everyone linkz. (just a little nervous that all those players are ones that I have "interrogated", except for republic, who I'm concerned about simply due to trangentspree which isn't republic's fault.)

2) Anyway, to answer your post on myself, I only really see the second post as answerable. However, thank you for taking a closer look at the situation. Like I said, as time goes on, he will be in the spotlight again. I may or may not defend him again depending on whether I'm alive and what kind of information abounds, but for now, thanks.

3) Getting back to that paragraph, I will play even if one or both turn up town. I'm over it.  I have to admit that upon review of trashlegs responses she was very cooperative, as I think I said above somewhere. I just really felt a passive aggressiveness and Heph joining in saying I was bullying people just put me over the edge. I don't like being ganged up on, but I can see that I fell into the "I will have the last word" game with trash and I'm sorry for that. But you're right (in your post to Heph, and something I mentioned previous to it) I never pressed her for info. I said what I said and that was it.HoS; moved on. I still don't specifically see it as bullying, but I do think there was something perhaps authoritative.

Side note: thank goodness for chrome. I don't know if VGC ate my latest post or what, but I was able to reopen the closed tab, navigate back to the page with post I quoted first, and Ctrl-Z saved it! Really surprised that it worked after all that time, although now I see I wouldn't have lost much, but I forgot exactly what the second question I had for Stefl was.

1) Glad you made this comment as it made me "Huh?" and realize the Stefl post never went through. Perhaps you've "interrogated" him as well, but if you consider that the case then I'd say you've done the same for everyone.(so you blame me for having a common suspect, unless you'd like me to have none :P ). As for the others, I thought I was looking into Wonk before you and I could go back to check, but I'm not sure that's even important. With trash I've been suspicious ever since I really analyzed her vote on ABC. I'd have given an FoS then to further signify that, but I was thinking if that stayed my bar for a Finger, then I'd be pointing all ten by the end of the day. I had suspicions of Heph as well due to the bond they seem to have, but independently the feeling grew to the point where I would've questioned him myself when he mentioned an SK.(In fact I had) I've been playing too much catch up though so rather than try to take over your investigation or just bombard him from two angles I was content with seeing how things went.

2) Agreed, I have no doubt that even if he makes it past today that he will be back in the spotlight day two or three at the latest.

3) Seems you've made a mistake. You threatened not to play if one or both was mafia, but now you're saying you will still play if one or both is town. I wouldn't call it bullying either, but then again I'm not on the receiving end of it. I don't even think of it as authorative. That's just how facts(such as the words in a post or time passing) come across to me, they're undeniable truths. Now you may have stretched the facts into arguements,(such as saying trashleg is blaming others) but those are points that can be argued against, not the facts themselves. Heph trying to play off some facts that I didn't even think of as that significant is one of the things that I 'm wary of.



Final-Fan said:
theprof00 said:
Thanks for all the input on everyone linkz. (just a little nervous that all those players are ones that I have "interrogated", except for republic, who I'm concerned about simply due to trangentspree which isn't republic's fault.)

What did trangent do that you are suspicious of?  Absenteeism isn't the same as lurking; and then he asked to be replaced and was.  Do you think he was lurking as well?  Or something else?


when trangent first came in he said that he had read through and would be on all day to post the next day because one or two things had jumped out at him.

I saw him post in real time and immediately asked him to put a vote given that day 1 lynches are very hard to occur. I just wanted something from him, whatever it may be. He never answered, and it is my supposition that there was actually nothing that had jumped out at him, and he was simply buying himself time. Whether that was because he didn't want to look suspicious, or because he wanted to look town, or what, I dunno, but it was the first thing in the thread that actually jumped out at me. So I'm trying to keep a close eye. The problem now though is that I ALWAYS think republic is suspicious due to his avatar.

To answer your questions, I saw him onine for a while previous to his post, so I would guarantee that he had read at least part of the thread. It's just that up to that point, there was really almost nothing...well..nothing big at least to warrant as jumping out, and even so, if there was 1 measely post would have helped immensely. Sure he did the right thing and got a replacement, but he could've jsut as easily explained what his things were before he suddenly left a note on truck's wall, and given us an extra opinon.

 

However, I also have to say that if wonk is mafia, then I'm leaning toward republic being town, as wonk thanked republic for subbing in.



Linkzmax said:

1) Glad you made this comment as it made me "Huh?" and realize the Stefl post never went through. Perhaps you've "interrogated" him as well, but if you consider that the case then I'd say you've done the same for everyone.(so you blame me for having a common suspect, unless you'd like me to have none :P ). As for the others, I thought I was looking into Wonk before you and I could go back to check, but I'm not sure that's even important. With trash I've been suspicious ever since I really analyzed her vote on ABC. I'd have given an FoS then to further signify that, but I was thinking if that stayed my bar for a Finger, then I'd be pointing all ten by the end of the day. I had suspicions of Heph as well due to the bond they seem to have, but independently the feeling grew to the point where I would've questioned him myself when he mentioned an SK.(In fact I had) I've been playing too much catch up though so rather than try to take over your investigation or just bombard him from two angles I was content with seeing how things went.

2) Agreed, I have no doubt that even if he makes it past today that he will be back in the spotlight day two or three at the latest.

3) Seems you've made a mistake. You threatened not to play if one or both was mafia, but now you're saying you will still play if one or both is town. I wouldn't call it bullying either, but then again I'm not on the receiving end of it. I don't even think of it as authorative. That's just how facts(such as the words in a post or time passing) come across to me, they're undeniable truths. Now you may have stretched the facts into arguements,(such as saying trashleg is blaming others) but those are points that can be argued against, not the facts themselves. Heph trying to play off some facts that I didn't even think of as that significant is one of the things that I 'm wary of.

1) haha, I was just a teensy bit nervous. I'm pretty confident that you're town because I can't for the life of me believe that you'd be accusing my own suspects as well when they seem to be the most suspicious to me. I know I have at least one mafia in there somewhere, and possibly two at the very maximum, so I'd question your sanity if you betrayed them like that. Sure, I know that what's most important is the ORDER in which they are lynched, but a spotlight is a spotlight and not all townies can be persuaded to vote your way. Also, I never actually went after stefl. (I do think that possible slip is highly suspicious though. If he thinks it's been 2 games as mafia....yeah i get it) the most I have on stefl is that I have nothing on stefl.

3) yes I meant to say if either of them are mafia, I didn't lower the condition to, "well as long as ONE of them is town, then I guess it's ok" :P But yes, I will continue to play.

And yes, I would agree on your whole description.



Linkzmax said:
Stefl1504 said:

If you wonder why I made the murderous in italic... I was reffering to this post where noname wrote murderous in italic.

Against gut feeling I cannot do anything, but considering I played Mafia the last two round I myself tend to act and think like mafia, even though I am not...

Also I would not consider my actions lurking in a normal game, its just that I don't happen to have much time right now (okay, to be honest I do play a lot of PC right now), but in this game, yeah I am the major lurker because everyone posts a lot...

Wait, weren't you the cop two rounds ago?

Stefl1504 said:

While I do not prefer no lynches on the first day, I did grow accustomed to them. I still think not lynching ABC now, could turn out to be a mistake later on, also I would reject any other person than him right now. While his gameplay significaly got better since he switched to robot mode, I still think some of his interactions with other players are scummy.

Care to elaborate?


Wasn't the cop thing 3 rounds ago? Sorry if I am mistaken, at least it feels like I was Mafia for two rounds... maybe because the last one was so long...

Right now I am still reading through the posts of prof/heph/trashleg, though I am not very far yet. I will then search for some posts of ABC which seem to me like the best scum-indicators...



Okay... since searching for the start of the prof/trashleg/hef discussion(I said I didn't got far yet, acctualy I only checked the first few pages for trashleg and hephs posts) I stumbled onto a lot of the things that made me suspicious of ABC I decided to dedicate my time to him now:

I am going to start on Page 6, Post 1 (@50pp) - it was just one of the many posts where ABC tried to completly distract form the topic, the interesting thing about this post is, that when I told him to stop joking so far into the game (I considered his post as a joke then, not as a pure mean of distraction), he got really defensive, accusing everyone, to turn everything he says into an FoS against him, that was when I first got the feeling that I could be onto something...

Regarding this post of ABC:

"Stop asking me questions when I'm sleeping! And I wanted to wait for the prof so I could look at everyone in the game before asking questions..."

I think I read this misunderstandable post quite different from the others here... theprof interpreted it like this:

"Ok, I'll wait for the prof to check him out to see if he could be bad news."

while I interpreted it like this:

"I'll wait for the prof to get him to check out everyone and I will start asking questions (to everyone) then."

So to me he tried to befriend theprof, which did not happen because of the bad expression ABC used. I know that he later confirmed theprofs interpretation, but that is because he already defended himself against theprofs interpretation, he might have done that because of comfort.

I think there is a lot of room for interpretation in the post of ABC. (and if I am wrong here, please tell me so and I am willing to throw away all my theories about ABC)

theprof then provoked following action by ABC by further presuring him:

"Sudden... urge... to... vote prof got not stoppin..."

I think this post was made due to ABCs frustration because he failed to befriend theprof (now he was somehow able to get theprof of his ass).

Later he tries to attack theprof and wonk directly without good reasoning.

ABC then accuses Radish of using the momentum against himself (ABC) to attack Radish, while at the point of Radish's vote it was 100% valid to vote for ABC.

Also before entering Robot-Mode (which caused his gameplay to get better), he threw arround suspicion on everyone, except for linksmax. Final-Fan, Noname and I got only little attention.

I am going to take a closer look at his robot-mode posts, since I also dislike some of those...