Off to bed. May a wall for of responces great me in the morning :D
Wonktonodi said:
I think this could be a possible slip. I have some ideas but I would like to hear other peoples thoughts first. No Heph not you. shoo |
I don't know why you think it's a slip. I mean I've heard arguments that a lot of times the people who like to "theorize" about a role or faction are actually that role. But that's not a "slip" IMO.
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theprof00 said:
If that's going to be your point, let me ask you why you mentioned me bullying ABC then. Everyone else is hounding him. How is it that when I do it it's bullying, and when...well, do you consider noname, wonk, trash, etc bullying? It's the same questions over and over isn't it? |
well the difference with your style is that you persist on many many points. Even if one question is answered you have a dozen lined up behind the first few. If you spend a day one on one player, that is one thing and everyone can think "poor guy he's about to get toasted". (though I personally think it's overanalyzing on day one, as in most cases, there is no scum coordination, just an initial plight to apear town that is similar for both town and mafia... but the utility of the method isn't the argument here)
When you start spending day one to analyze 1/3rd of the players of the round in that particular manner, it sends a message that you're gonna hit hard on everyone and anyone..... not if they slip up, but as you go down the list. That's why I say you're the bully this round, the intensity of your method, compiled with doing it to many players (especially since the game is small).
Last round you focused Gniz. He had a playstyle completely antagonist from yours, I can understand it, but you still stayed on the case for a heck of a time...it's that overinsistance that made it bullying.
The latest example is the best for my point of you overanalyzing into bullying day one. trash said she had 192 posts overnight. You point out it's wrong and that she can't have logged on for 28 hours to get that number. What do you do with this info? instead of drawing conclusions or going to the next question, you requier from her an explanation, and insist on it. This is preasure applied on something that is irrelevant to the game. The only info that you get is that people are enoyed and become somewhat agressive to you. This is what happened with Gniz's being sick last round. You argued for a while on the "let's say" and in the end you had to drop the case (and he turned out town).
And lastly to my Hos on you... I do think you're capable of changing your playstyle to fit your situation, so I believe this day one presure is there to position you as a feared person in the town...hence preventing you from being openly scrutinized, by fear of repercutions.
(in response to your question, I don't consider them bullying... though wonk a bit as he's going into the details again when questioning ABC on his outside mafia play. However he does it in a much softer manner, so I don't think ABC is or will be reacting explosively to the interogation. Finally, he doesn't command the same respect as you do from the older players or the ones who read previous rounds (he's newer and was shy for a while), so the feeling people get of our (the rest of the players) interaction with him is not the same as ours with you and in return, your inquiry of someone is viewed with more importance.)
does my explanation seem clear? if not, well.. ask again.
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Current votes (6 needed to lynch):
[0, L-6] Linkzmax: (theprof00); (Stefl1504)
[0, L-6] Stefl1504: (noname2200)
[1, L-5] noname2200: theprof00
[1, L-5] theprof00: Stefl1504
[0, L-6] trashleg: (Hephaestos)
[4, L-2] A Bad Clown: noname2200; (Final-Fan); trashleg; radishhead; theRepublic
[0, L-6] theRepublic: (Final-Fan)
[1, L-5] Wonktonodi: Hephaestos
[1, L-5] Hephaestos: Wonktonodi
I slept only 6 hours, went up and I'm faced with 106 posts.
Come on, people. Do you never sleep? :)
updated: 14.01.2012
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theprof00 said: Last game, two people did this to me (hat and nen), and I let them get away with it, even though I had them both pegged. To me that kind of play is dishonourable. However, I am also the type to understand that their is no "honor" in games. Honor is an arbitrary concept that the weak use as an excuse. But what I do value is their friendships. I like both of them, and can't stand that I'm hurting them somehow in some way that I still don't understand. |
I don't take bully as insulting... if it is, then pardon my choice of word, I don't know the proper one.
What do you mean dishonourable? insulting you or telling you to be less agressive? i don't think either of trash or me did the first one. On trying to influance you style of play... well I can only speak for myself, but my intentions are always to model your inquisitions into something that I find to be more relevant... I concede that it hasn't really worked up till now.
Thank you, but be asured that I draw a stict line between people and what they do or say in here, you won't risk hurting me in game however enoyed, excited or weakened I may seem (now the dead players thread might get me offended lol).
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Wonktonodi said:
On day one all information that would make someone think that someen is scum is much more subjective than future days. Mistakes connectionns contradictions lies (if you can prove it) can just as easily come from town as from scum. So what criteria do you use to determine who should be lynched that is so much better than the criteria that I would use? Also answer my previous question of why you didn't mention my other points. Then explain why you change your mind and decide that they were irrelavent? Then finally explain how my idea for a first day lynch is any different from yours. Other than mine being coldhearted and mean. |
the criteria "most harmful from past experience" is subjective to the situation of past games.
Radish was only harmfull 2 rounds ago (sorry for the past games reference but this argument is on voting based on this) because people like you and me pushed him in this direction. For last game he confessed to both having computer problems and now to playing multiple mafia games... though the second is something that is to be frowned upon due to his capacity to follow the game, in no way does it relate to this game. So your points of him hammering out of the blue while discution are still there and him laying on his masson status are made irrelevant by this rational.
First day lynch based on powerfull players is better, cause a good player seldom goes stale, whereas a bad player has all the room to increase. I wouldn't use the tactic, but it's a proposition that I find much more viable.
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Wonktonodi said: I think this could be a possible slip. I have some ideas but I would like to hear other peoples thoughts first. No Heph not you. shoo |
you're repeating your "radish" fishing for others to attack first technique...
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Wonktonodi said:
also(sorry trashlegs it's about older games) you said in the last 3 games you were day 1 day 2 day 1. Last game was Day 2. They killed heph day 1. Two games ago we killed you day 1. So was it day 1 three games ago as well? If so I'm sorry that would have been two in a row that you were out on day one. And why put it 1 2 1 when it would be 112 you know this is very important since it has to do with numbers an no one ever gets numbers wrong unless they are scum and trying to hide something or are unreliable and should be disposed of :P
There is no seriousness in the previous paragraph just some satire and curiousity. If I had suspicion of prof I'd say so. |
it was 2 1 2 if I recall
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Wonktonodi said: Thanks oh an sorry for no valentines wishes only room in my cold heart for heph :P |
that's sweet, you're a cute lama =)
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Silver-Tiger said:
I slept only 6 hours, went up and I'm faced with 106 posts. Come on, people. Do you never sleep? :) |
3 hours last night.... currently at work and fresh as can be. (went out till 3AM for valentine's then 2 hours of posting/reading here).
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