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theprof00 on 14 February 2011
Linkzmax said:

Looks like I've got a chance to post again today after all. I took a quick glance and didn't see any votes, so I just want to go over my last post from this morning before seeing if there are new developments. I was intending to reveal that link at the same time as a vote for either ABC or Wonk, leaning more towards the former. However, I thought if I put Clown at L-1 then someone might hammer before others had the chance to give their input and that's something that has bothered me with almost every lynch I've seen here. The reason I revealed it instead of waiting until I was ready to vote was already stated within the post. I didn't think I'd be online again until late tonight at the earliest or over 24 hours from now at worst. Since nobody else had noticed it, I didn't want to chance it not being pointed out.

Now I'm still not going to vote for ABC at this time, but I may before I head out for most of the night. I thought I was content with merely ignoring him,(and the robot gimmick has improved understandability a lot) but I've been thinking today that he's been such a center of focus for everyone that my suspicions of others mostly revolve around their actions/interactions/or lack therof compared to him.

Okay, ketchup time!

I understand that, but please do not vote him until much longer down the line. Please read today before doing anything rash.



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Linkzmax on 14 February 2011
Hephaestos said:

o recall both massons and mafia being told they could talk day one last round... trucks was a masson, he might have liked the idea. Especially as this little advantage could help tweak the game to a 2 mafia other day SK rather than just 3 mafia?

Well I did think it was wierd when I read it in the quicktopics but now I wouldn't rule it out...

What makes you think there's an SK? Also, I can accept that you misread Stefl and thought he implied there were 4 mafia. Yet just as theRepublic pointed out with Stefl, it seems you're making a statement of fact that if there's no third-party then the scumteam is composed of three members.



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Linkzmax on 14 February 2011
theprof00 said:
Linkzmax said:

I understand that, but please do not vote him until much longer down the line. Please read today before doing anything rash.

Have I ever seemed rash? Rest assured that I'm not going to vote until I'm caught up on the thread, current with potals(now with a finger pointing chart), and have a good idea who I'd suspect tomorrow given the possible flips of the lynch.

Exactly why are you so insistent on people leaving ABC alone? I had the same feeling as you, that efforts would better be focused elsewhere, but the way you seem to be trying to push that feels very odd. If you're both mafia I can't imagine you'd try to cover for a scumbuddy like this, but then again maybe that's exactly how you're trying to make me feel. On the other hand, I don't see you going to these lengths as mafia if he's a townie, so if that's the case then I guess it's a plus for you.



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Linkzmax on 14 February 2011
Hephaestos said:
trashleg said:

not being funny or anything,

 

but 192 new posts overnight? thats going to take some time to read and i only have an hour before i have to leave for work. but il try read as much as i can, then il be back online at like 4.30am GMT. sorry.

yeah we have gotten quite a few verbose happy players... it does make the game harder to follow... but oh so much interesting to read.

 

(oh yeah I just replied for the lolz of linkz and proff saying we talk a lot :-p)

It's a verifiable fact that much of trashleg's early conversing was done with you. (granted, while noname was in the minority he did make up most of the rest) But I never had thought it to be suspicious and in fact when I broke down trashleg's vote of ABC I said that his suspicion based on that point was a "lame reason." The fact that you're trying to make it into a joke doesn't sit well with me though.



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trashleg on 14 February 2011
theprof00 said:
Hephaestos said:
theprof00 said:


that wasn't it at all.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3910063

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3910085

those are the two posts.

It's also suspicious that I'm already frustrated with you. How could you possibly miss that?

 

Edit: snipped quote boxes


you posted one of my quotes and the unvote post... what new info is that to the argument.

and what does you being frustrated is even relevant?

 

 

Hephaestos said:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3910064

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3910085

fun and games refer directly to noname's post so i'm not sure your linking this to my unvote is really accurate...

Noname's post, and leg's response were before your post. I never mentioned "fun and games" in my post, so I don't know WHY you even brought that up. 

theprof said: "At another point, though I hate to refer to it, she said she was in bad shape IRL. Heph unvoted her. Her next words were something like, "hey get back here and throw accusations around", yet heph's vote was a joke/random vote in the first place and he never really accused her that much of anything."

Your second link (trashleg's "come back here") happens 8 minutes after your post. Whereas your first link happens before your post.

Edit:

Especially that she says "GUYS", it's obvious she is responding to your post.


just to clarify -

i wasnt trying to go for sympathy there.

and the  comment i made about accusations being thrown about - that was aimed at all of you in general regarding the game. seeing as everyone playing besides myself is of the male persuasion. it was nothing deep. i didnt want my emo post to stop the game lol.

i have been pretty cut up for a couple of days, but im not gonna talk about it after this post, its nothing to do with the game but affected me that one night. i'll be online at 4.30 and i'll re-read the last few pages. its just been hard for me to keep up. again, im sorry.

and ABC, i like the robot style. much easier to read than 100 walls of text/page.



Highwaystar101 said: trashleg said that if I didn't pay back the money she leant me, she would come round and break my legs... That's why people call her trashleg, because she trashes the legs of the people she loan sharks money to.
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Wonktonodi on 14 February 2011
radishhead said:
A Bad Clown said:
radishhead said:

Strange turn of events - don't forget that I haven't actually been suspicious this game - the only time that I've been mentioned is where Wonk was picking me out as an example of a player that we could lynch to get the numbers down. You can ask me whatever, but I don't have much to say.


Why do you think Wonk didn't suggest anyone else though?

He suggested a few, after he realised that singling out me was a mistake.


It wasn't a mistake I listed other people who have been weak this game but only you as who I thought the weakest player was. 

radishhead on 02/12/11 12:26 PST

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1. Not only this, but he admitted that he didn't have any grounds to be suspicious of me, 2. and merely made misguided remarks about the last game, 3. which Linkz was quick to put right. 4. Nobody could have saw that coming last game - that's why nen was given the MVP, for pulling it off so well. 

In my opinion, the way that you've managed to divert suspicion off yourself by targeting another player that has had their name mentioned a few times seems considerably more suspicious. Maybe you should have done the research, and actually realised that there was nothing going on there at all.

Vote: A Bad Clown

1. It was ever about you being suspicious of you

2. My remarks were not misguided.

3. He cleared you for mistakes at endgame not the other things.  Although he did minize them he didn't clear you of them.

4. Many people could have see it coming.  You hammering without even knowing it made it that people had less time to talk so it didn't help.

radishhead on 02/12/11 12:36 PST

A Bad Clown said:
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Now that doesn't seem suspicious at all...
1. If you explain how it's suspicious, I'll try and solve the situation - but that response makes me feel more confident that I've hit a Mafia.

1. This post wasn't needed and in fact looks a bit bad.

radishhead on 02/12/11 12:59 PST

A Bad Clown said:
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Well, when we decided to look at someone else you finally started talking to me. Earlier in the thread when I was being ganked you didn't have much to say about me. When prof and I decided to look into you specifically you at first didn't have much to say but quickly posted again about not really being suspcious of you. It looked like you wanted to keep low until you saw that others still had votes on me. This would have been the perfect time to vote me because the conversation against you restarted. Voting now would be tactical at this point when two people would both be questioning you. If the prof would have questioned you first, you would have to wait until you could appeal to him by voting the person he was suspicious of. Now that you've stated you want to vote me he will probably follow along, saving yourself.

1. Might that be because I was having to answer Wonk's questions? I've had to deal with problems this game too :s

2. Why do you keep linking yourself with prof anyway? I thought that the interrogation would have sorted that out

3. That's definitely unfair, since that conversation never ended. It's an ongoing thing - you'll find that people comment on your day 1 actions thoughout the entire game, and maybe even into future rounds.

4. There's a lot of situational things going on in this case too - I wouldn't have to do any of those things. Firstly, prof didn't question me first - Wonk did. Also, I'm not trying to appeal to Prof by putting a vote on you- I mentioned in my voting post that my vote was 100% because of the discussion that we had. Just me and you - prof isn't involved.

1. technically it wasn't really my questions you were responding to be my plan that could lead to you being lynched

2. not sure what you mean by the second part

3. Very very true. 

4.Some decenty points to a pretty crazy acusation. Not the best or the clearest but decent.  In fact I'll have to make comment on ABCs comment after this post.

radishhead on 02/13/11 11:14 PST

A Bad Clown said:

This is where I though Wonk was starting to get at Radish

 

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3911291

Then

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3911977

Which made it look like he was suspecting something

Later

 

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3912626

I thought is was funny how instantly he was satisfied with that
1. In Wonk's defense, 2. I think he was satisfied with that because the main purpose of his argument was to test the validity of the "new and improved radishhead", 3. and he realised that it was genuine. 4. We sort of subliminally let the issue rest between us, I think.

1. No STOP DON'T

2. No the main perpose of my plan not argument.  Was to have the lynch of you be a viable option for the town over a no lynch.

3. I know you and trying but that doesn't ouright make it so

4. You are right that the issue is at rest. However it is not over.

radishhead on 02/13/11 11:48 PST

Please, turn off robot mode- it's not helping you to be understood, and it's just rage-worthy >:(

1. As you mentioned, that argument was just between me and Wonk, and it didn't matter that you were gone, because you weren't involved. It was just a coincidence that the argument concluded fairly soon after you left. There was just nothing more to say on the subject.

2. You admitted yourself that you didn't understand the back-story behind the argument - and that's one of the main reasons why it ended so abrubtly. 3.  He was complaining that I didn't do much to help the town last game after I was confirmed to be a town member (which was true). 4. We both realised that we had become equals in terms of playstyle, 5. and it was quite a funny realisation (hence the "keep it up", "you too").

1 it wasn't just between us Radish in fact is more been between me and other members of the town who don't like my idea.

2. It ended because other people didn't like the idea and I wasn't didn't want to have to go that much into the last games to show you how you messed up more than the endgame.

3. I'm glad you do see that now. That was part of why I think of you as a weaker player.

4. I don't think I'm equal to your playstyle radish. You have your moments and get lucky but I do think you are a weak player. I do think I'm a bit better but then again others might disagree. 

5. The keep it up was was hoping that you would keep up trying to do better .  Not saying I think you are equal.

 

So as a whole looking over the posts since the smilely I think you are doing better not great but better.  Pointed out a few things in these posts.  Tried to clariy a few things.  As a whole frow reading back over I'm still neutral on you.

Big thing though I really am wanting to look more into Heph and I'd say ABC has taken your place as the person I would lynch over a no lynch if nothin else is found.



Linkzmax on 14 February 2011
Hephaestos said:

Linkzmax said:http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3915858

well since you're putting brainpower into this.

1) I read the initial comment as proff... that he was waiting for proff's opinion.

2) "sort of" means the answer is pretty much BS, that he's fed up with explaining it cause it was a slip that he prefered not to have made.

3) I now get your future remarks. makes the answers even more BS.

Still I don't get that high a scum vibe from him.... the only think that really bothers me is I would have expected him to drop the ball when proff was after him and be already fed up with playing here, he was already hesitant to join, was very enoyed with having to talk about his other site... He's making a big big effort to stay in the game and be active. (and i might regret that paragraph just there...)

It's strange that you numbers points, but didn't put numbers into the quote so I don't really know if you're refering to some small part or the post as a whole. Anyway:

1) Huh, you mean prof's opinion on someone else? Others have done the same, but we've already learned it was a miscommunication. After much arm twisting, ABC stated that he essentially meant he was waiting for prof in order to get a read on prof. Not only in the quote within my post, but elsewhere if you'd like me to dig it up.

2) That's possible. I think he was fed up with answering it over and over again, although most of the answers were too unclear so it was his own fault.

3) Exactly. If it is BS, then I would expect Wonk to see that also, not just pass it off with "Ok that makes sence." That is what gives me the impression that Wonk was having an artificial interrogation of ABC. Others have simply dropped their line of questiong with him due to frustration due to nonsense answers or have responded to the nonsense with a vote. Wonk stands out to me as the only one that has "bought" something that doesn't make sense.



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theprof00 on 14 February 2011
trashleg said:


just to clarify -

i wasnt trying to go for sympathy there.

and the  comment i made about accusations being thrown about - that was aimed at all of you in general regarding the game. seeing as everyone playing besides myself is of the male persuasion. it was nothing deep. i didnt want my emo post to stop the game lol.

i have been pretty cut up for a couple of days, but im not gonna talk about it after this post, its nothing to do with the game but affected me that one night. i'll be online at 4.30 and i'll re-read the last few pages. its just been hard for me to keep up. again, im sorry.

and ABC, i like the robot style. much easier to read than 100 walls of text/page.

I know you weren't going for sympathy. My interest comes from your response to what you seem to think is a pity unvote.

Your "throw accusations around"

seems like a passive way of saying, "don't take your vote off of me just for that".

 

Other than that, the only problem I have is the post I listed in response to your "192 posts overnight".



Wonktonodi on 14 February 2011
theprof00 said:
Wonktonodi said:

2. @ABClown Situation: Is it really important that he plays Mafia on another site? I mentioned that I did that on my first game here and you guys just found the site, had a few lols at the 60 player game, and left it be. I'm sure that he's not a multi - let's just move on xO

2. Good point prof hase focused on that too long

 

 

" I used to play a few Mafia games at a time, and therefore I didn't have all of my time available to catch up on the games that were occuring on VGC. However, this game I've decided that I'll only play one game of Mafia at a time. I thought that this would have an effect on the way that I played, and I actually thought that it was working, but you don't seem to notice that I've changed. It's not the same old radishhead - I'm still improving, but surely you notice a little difference?"

 

Yup I focus on playing outside games too much! </sarcasm>

 

secondly wonk, you don't know about wessle, or some of the other players that simply do not care how they play. If someone has outside experience and they are posting like a lunatic, I'd like to know what frame of reference I should be using.

I know I don't understang about past people on here, so I can understand concern about an alt or someone playing many games.  However the thing that stood out the most to me was if he plays outside games why was he so unsure of how the game works.  So that should have been the focus of the questions.  Not who it was with or where. 

I wasn't really satisfied with his answers for why he didn't understand how the game works since he's played before. I do agree he's doing better as a robot, but I still have some digging to do.



A Bad Clown on 14 February 2011

Statement: If it were any help, I started to play here this game because my former site has grown inactive in "Mafia" games.

 



19:44:34 Skeezer METAL GEAR ONLINE
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19:44:51 ABadClown You're right!
19:44:55 ABadClown Hur hur hur
19:45:01 Skeezer i meant
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