First I have never said I thought he was town.  Only that I was neutral on him. I've never seen a game with a doc so I don't know how often those actually happen.

Next there was more than one point.  So saying I only have one isn't true.  I don't know why you are not noticing the other points I've made. You are good enough a player to have noticed them so I think something else is going on.  However since people seem to forget. One thing he did was  hammering without noticing that he's doing it.  Once would be bad enough, but he did it twice in a row.  The other point was how he was inactive after being a confirmed mason.  This was before his computer had problems because one point when linkz called him out on it he came it back really quick and voted without much information along with the vote.

That tactic seems to work better for scum.  IE your first day lynch last game after being MVP. You take out enough good players then they might miss something they wouldn't had more of them been left since the weaker players don't notice as much.  I really don't see how having strong players can hurt the town while having weaker ones can. Plus once again I've never said I think he's townie.

For instance although you are a stronger player you either not noticing or more likely choosing to leave out the other points I made, plus your bad math moment are really suspicios.If you were a weaker player I could see it happening but not so much from you.

HOS Heph

What happpend to ignoring ABC because he's a distraction??

He's gotten much much better.

The distraction doesn't extend to jokes etc, it has to do with not knowing wtf he was talking about, and causing chaos and confusion. There were nearly 100 posts made simply analysing what he was trying to say because he answered questioning with accusations and other questions.

you posted one of my quotes and the unvote post... what new info is that to the argument.

and what does you being frustrated is even relevant?

Noname's post, and leg's response were before your post. I never mentioned "fun and games" in my post, so I don't know WHY you even brought that up. 

theprof said: "At another point, though I hate to refer to it, she said she was in bad shape IRL. Heph unvoted her. Her next words were something like, "hey get back here and throw accusations around", yet heph's vote was a joke/random vote in the first place and he never really accused her that much of anything."

Your second link (trashleg's "come back here") happens 8 minutes after your post. Whereas your first link happens before your post.

Edit:

Especially that she says "GUYS", it's obvious she is responding to your post.

Wonk, I've repeatedly told you that the events that took place last game are no longer relevent - noname told me in the mason thread that I should take a more frontline approach, and so I did. Obviously the case where I was hammering people without realising it was a problem, but that was before I made a transformation. I made a clear point in that thread that I was to draw a line under a few lackluster attempts at playing Mafia on VGC, and I can start with a fresh way of playing - more valid points, and less hiding behind the other town members.

You seem to be happy that you've found a player that you can try all of your mind-games on, as a sort of guninea pig, but it isn't relevent anymore, because I've managed to improve my game. I used to play a few Mafia games at a time, and therefore I didn't have all of my time available to catch up on the games that were occuring on VGC. However, this game I've decided that I'll only play one game of Mafia at a time. I thought that this would have an effect on the way that I played, and I actually thought that it was working, but you don't seem to notice that I've changed. It's not the same old radishhead - I'm still improving, but surely you notice a little difference?

I've tried hard to get myself noticed that I've got a new playstyle, and that I no longer need to be viewed with the attidude that I've been feeling through the game so far - it's not enough though, clearly, as even now, you keep referring to the idea that I'd be a good cantidate for a lynch even if I was town. The idea that I'm such a useless townie that I'd actually be more use dead is bad enough, but in round 1, where it would give no information at all, made me contemplate whether my efforts were worth it. 

Stop lingering on the past - I haven't done any of the things that you claim I'm so infamous for in this round, and I'm not going to either. You seem to dismiss the computer problem as something trival, whereas it was fairly major -it wasn't up to me when I could post last round, and I had to sometimes PM noname to post the messages for me.

When I'm reading your posts and I see the words "weaker players", I laugh to myself, because I know that you're aiming the comment at me. It's difficult to ignore, when you seem to have made it your catchphrase for the game. Constantly trying to create a divide between the so-called "stronger" and "weaker" players. Who cares? If we're town, then we should be working together. Is it that only the stronger players deserve to live until the final day? Maybe this would be more fair, but in Mafia, they don't want to keep these players alive until the end - you should be happy if you get night-killed early because you were seen as a threat by the Mafia.

I get a strong feeling that all of the hate for "weaker" players comes from the fact that I've managed to cruise to the final stages of the game with little interaction with the other players. Just there for the ride - and I appreciate that, but I'm still playing because I'm trying to change. It looks like you're a player that loves the attention; often filling up pages with observation after observation (not a bad thing, of course), but that would only fuel the rage further when you realise that it seems to lead to an early death, and players like (old) me were getting through fine by doing hardly a thing.

Obviously we can't trust eachother, this is Mafia, but why should you be suggesting to lynch people who even you believe to be town just because they fall into your catagory of "weaker" players. How are they supposed to improve if they get lynched on the first day? In my case, I at least want to try out my new style of play. I've already tried to make a few valid points this game, and I'm thankful that some of them have been noticed, but all of the time there's an undercurrent of reminders from past games, as if to undermine all of my efforts.

Obviously, I'm going to find it more difficult to cruise to the late-game stages with my new strategy, but I don't care. It's more fun playing this way, and definitely better for the town. I can only hope that you understand the point that I'm trying to make here.

I know all I did before was make a smily at the post when I should have said. 

1. Stop

2. Good point prof hase focused on that too long

3. I hope we do see more of the improved radish. Oh and I'll be watching.

this was when I was my first repsonce to you afte the smily.  Here you were mostly right but not fully right.  I was looking at you as an alternative because you can be harmfull as a townie.  Not just in the end game but before.  You would be an alternative to a no lynch, not to something that really stands out.  One more thing here. You were dangerous when you were a confirmed townie.  Now you don't have that nor had you really done anything to make me think you were townie. 

I could have been persuaded that you weren't the weakest player but it would have been hard because of your own history.  Once again it wasn't about a first day lynch on a townie it was a fist day lynch on a weak player.  You.  Since there is no way that a lynch on you would happen really quick even if it were to happen we would still get information.  (thank you linkz for not agreeing) had everyone just agreed thought and gone with it it would have been uselses.  Not having you midgame could have helped the town endgame.  Endgame itself you can be forgiven for you weren't the only one who had problems there, it's just that that wasn't your only problem.

Many things here.  There is no reason to say 1 or 3.

2. It wasn't just getting numbers down it was about taking the weakest player who could be scum.

quoted for attention:

Radish, before this game, I would have agreed that lynching a risky player is worth it.

Do not take it as hate. Wonk does not hate you. Do not bring emotions into this. This is advice for your own good.

" I used to play a few Mafia games at a time, and therefore I didn't have all of my time available to catch up on the games that were occuring on VGC. However, this game I've decided that I'll only play one game of Mafia at a time. I thought that this would have an effect on the way that I played, and I actually thought that it was working, but you don't seem to notice that I've changed. It's not the same old radishhead - I'm still improving, but surely you notice a little difference?"

Yup I focus on playing outside games too much! </sarcasm>

secondly wonk, you don't know about wessle, or some of the other players that simply do not care how they play. If someone has outside experience and they are posting like a lunatic, I'd like to know what frame of reference I should be using.

Looks like I've got a chance to post again today after all. I took a quick glance and didn't see any votes, so I just want to go over my last post from this morning before seeing if there are new developments. I was intending to reveal that link at the same time as a vote for either ABC or Wonk, leaning more towards the former. However, I thought if I put Clown at L-1 then someone might hammer before others had the chance to give their input and that's something that has bothered me with almost every lynch I've seen here. The reason I revealed it instead of waiting until I was ready to vote was already stated within the post. I didn't think I'd be online again until late tonight at the earliest or over 24 hours from now at worst. Since nobody else had noticed it, I didn't want to chance it not being pointed out.

Now I'm still not going to vote for ABC at this time, but I may before I head out for most of the night. I thought I was content with merely ignoring him,(and the robot gimmick has improved understandability a lot) but I've been thinking today that he's been such a center of focus for everyone that my suspicions of others mostly revolve around their actions/interactions/or lack therof compared to him.

Okay, ketchup time!