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Silver-Tiger on 14 February 2011

Current votes (6 needed to lynch):

[0, L-6] Linkzmax:  (theprof00); (Stefl1504)

[0, L-6] Stefl1504:  (noname2200)

[1, L-5] noname2200: theprof00

[1, L-5] theprof00: Stefl1504

[0, L-6] trashleg: (Hephaestos)

[4, L-2] A Bad Clown: noname2200; (Final-Fan); trashleg; radishhead; theRepublic

[0, L-6]  theRepublic: (Final-Fan)

[1, L-5] Wonktonodi: Hephaestos



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Stefl1504 on 14 February 2011
noname2200 said:
Stefl1504 said:

What I don't get is why some people act like it is a bad thing he played on another site, somehow it feels like the people just want to see his games and then analyse his behaviour, which isn't such a bad thing, but if he just don't want people looking at his games, why should we bother further. Now, to the main point:

While I am suspicious of ABC I think its not the right time to put to much focus on him yet, we should wait for trangent and his observations, then try to discuss further and then we still can focus on him again. I just mean we should keep our eyes open and not only on him...

 

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As for your second paragraph, I admit I'm a bit surprised.  I see the value in not getting tunnel vision on a single player, of course, but why did you prefer to have us all stop interrogating ABC and instead wait for trangentspree?


I haven't read to the end of the posts yet, but I thought that I needed to reply to this.

I said that we should not focus ont ABC, I was not trying to stop asking him questions, but like you side, get people also to look at others than him, while he is likely to be scum, I still think there are other players out there that haven't gotten any attention yet (as far as I read now). Why I said that we should wait for trangent... yeah, I was hoping he really has some clues for us.



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Stefl1504 on 14 February 2011
theprof00 said:
A Bad Clown said:


Statement: Correct, User: Noname was trying hard to make a case.

This makes him appear to be pro-town.

You have been neutral.

I cannot say much about your actions so far.

As for User: Trashleg, user has not active enough for me to be suspicious.

Unfortunately, I have to say that this post imo guarantees ABCs town affiliation. That idea that noname's effort paints him as pro-town is townie logic.

I also think that noname is town. While I don't think he would go through all that trouble to chronicle the statements over time, I think he is capable of doing so in order to appear townie. In either case, both appear much more town to me than previously.

However, this also furthers my suspicion of trashleg for putting an easy vote on ABC.

While ABC is horrendously bad at communication (and thinks he's doing much better as a robot, despite being a great example of self-fulfilling prophecy), I think he has very good intuition, and has been making some good points.

@bolded: sorry if you already gave some explanation, but could you please specify your suspicion(because you said it furthers your suspicion)? I understand why you are saying that trashlegs vote make her suspicious, but I still see ABC as a scum canidate...

Talking of voted, I thought I already unvoted... but my vote is still counted... so once again:

Unvote



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Linkzmax on 14 February 2011
Wonktonodi said:
A Bad Clown said:
Wonktonodi said:
snip


Why would you need the prof to see if heph was a problem?  Or were you trying to mean you wanted to wait for the prof to be posting more so you could have your thoughts on him.  If the second is what you meant no one got that from your wording.

The second, sort of. I wantedto see prof post along with heph but that time I just wanted to see all the players start conversing and prof and tangent were the only ones not. I would have mentioned Tangent but he said he was gone and would come back yesterday...where the hell is tanget anyways?

Ok that makes sence but I hope you see how your wording caused people confusing and by not clearing it up makes you look worse.  I still have the other questions.  I requoted the post just a few of my posts back.

I was hopeful that my brain would figure some things out in my sleep, albeit a short sleep, last night, but no luck. Since I may not be able to come on at all today I think it's best that I point this out now in case ABC is lynched. More timestamp fun:

A Bad Clown on 02/10/11 17:30 EST

 

Wonktonodi said:
A Bad Clown said:

I might have to vote against nonome after the day one accusation, unlesss heph is still playing. I'm confused who's voting for who so far, it shows Stef voting twice


bad clown take a look if someoen else explains is sooner or beter my apologies.

Current votes (6 needed to lynch):

[0, L-6] Linkzmax:  (theprof00), (Stefl1504)

[0, L-6] Stefl1504:  (noname2200)

[1, L-5] noname2200: theprof00

[1, L-5] theprof00: Stefl1504

[0, L-6] trashleg: (Hephaestos)

[1, L-5] A Bad Clown: noname2200

 

the number on the far left is the number of current votes.  when a persons name is in brakets that means he(or she) voted for that person but is no longer voting for that person.

Ok, I'll wait for the prof to check him out to see if he could be bad news

trangentspree on 02/10/11 18:17 EST

 

I'm here, got my PM.

I wouldn't really regard myself as late as the game started less than 12 hours ago, but for those wondering, I have been out of the house all day long, first at work and then at a friend's house for dinner.

I'm pretty knackered and heading to bed. I'll have most of the day to post tomorrow. One or two things have caught my eye already.

So it's another case of ABC later using things that happened in the future to try to explain actions in the past. I think it's just ABC making far too many assumptions and now using anything in the thread to try to validate those assumptions; however, in case he gets lynched and it turns out tomorrow I'm wrong, I just want to point out how Wonk cleared this as making sense. I believe Wonk's too good to not check out a story to see if it really makes sense, so this gives me the impression that this line of questioning was truly artificial.(I'm undecided on the interaction with radish)

I swear there was more, but my mind is a fog and I'm running late for work. If I have a chance I'll try to remember and post it.



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Final-Fan on 14 February 2011

Oooo, nice catch.  It'd be funny if the wild flailing of a townie caught scum like that. 



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theprof00 on 14 February 2011
Stefl1504 said:
theprof00 said:

Unfortunately, I have to say that this post imo guarantees ABCs town affiliation. That idea that noname's effort paints him as pro-town is townie logic.

I also think that noname is town. While I don't think he would go through all that trouble to chronicle the statements over time, I think he is capable of doing so in order to appear townie. In either case, both appear much more town to me than previously.

However, this also furthers my suspicion of trashleg for putting an easy vote on ABC.

While ABC is horrendously bad at communication (and thinks he's doing much better as a robot, despite being a great example of self-fulfilling prophecy), I think he has very good intuition, and has been making some good points.

@bolded: sorry if you already gave some explanation, but could you please specify your suspicion(because you said it furthers your suspicion)? I understand why you are saying that trashlegs vote make her suspicious, but I still see ABC as a scum canidate...

Talking of voted, I thought I already unvoted... but my vote is still counted... so once again:

Unvote

it has to do with her calm collectedness, as well as her vote on ABC.

At another point, though I hate to refer to it, she said she was in bad shape IRL. Heph unvoted her. Her next words were something like, "hey get back here and throw accusations around", yet heph's vote was a joke/random vote in the first place and he never really accused her that much of anything.

IMO, there's something wrong with that situation. She hasn't posted enough for this to be warranted as evidence, but I think that roughly saying, "put your vote back on me" is quite suspicious in itself.



Hephaestos on 14 February 2011
theRepublic said:
A Bad Clown said:

Prof, this has been bugging me since the start of this. Out of all the people in the game, you chose me to constantly quote and argue with. When radish was suspicious you went to me instead and casually passed it off from radish. I’m thinking that you and wonk and planning this, to kill two birds with one stone by having each of you accuse a separate weaker person. Wonk stopped quickly with a “:D” and changed to me while you seemed to be slowing down on my interrogation. I think you two are swapping targets, to keep it looking like you two are concerned town people!

It is not possible for them to plan a coordinated attack on Day One unless they are cheating.  The mafia, aliens in this case, don't get to talk to each other until Night One.

o recall both massons and mafia being told they could talk day one last round... trucks was a masson, he might have liked the idea. Especially as this little advantage could help tweak the game to a 2 mafia other day SK rather than just 3 mafia?

Well I did think it was wierd when I read it in the quicktopics but now I wouldn't rule it out...



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Hephaestos on 14 February 2011
theRepublic said:
noname2200 said:

Has anyone ever heard of any game of mafia, forum or otherwise, where you're not allowed to change your vote?

I have.  There are games where your vote is permanent, so FOSes and HOSes become important placeholders instead.  There are also games where you "go to sleep" after you vote.  So after you vote, you can't post anymore that Day.

However, I think this is all made a moot point by that large post you made about ABC's posting timeline.  I need to study it a bit more though to be sure.

that's pactical for lurkers ^^

day start

vote "random mafia buddy" I didn't like his remark before voting yesterday.

Sleep.

 

so what do you think of him

dunno he never said much...



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trashleg on 14 February 2011

not being funny or anything,

 

but 192 new posts overnight? thats going to take some time to read and i only have an hour before i have to leave for work. but il try read as much as i can, then il be back online at like 4.30am GMT. sorry.



Highwaystar101 said: trashleg said that if I didn't pay back the money she leant me, she would come round and break my legs... That's why people call her trashleg, because she trashes the legs of the people she loan sharks money to.
Hephaestos on 14 February 2011
Wonktonodi said:
Hephaestos said:

okay, well...

1) ABC well i do have the feeling that he's better for later...His playstyle is also now changed. There seemed to have been way too much miscommunication early on for this to just be misscommunication though... so i'll keep my fos till we see more info tomorow. Wasn't there an alphabet killer?.... or was that something I saw in a movie/series...

2) Radish... well I saw that ABC pointed out my thought already... the argument looked fake, especially based on the smileyface and the radish defence. That and the illogicity of wonk's arguments against radish. He must have known that he would be rushing into a wall. I believe a Wonk lynch today is the most usefull information we could get. If he's mafia then we a radish lynch would be interesting too. If not, then radish has no dirt on him 'yet'. It'd be a shame though to lynch wonk on day one...he barely blossomed.

Vote: Wonk

3) trash, I thought her vote on ABC to be a bit flumsy... not much else to say though. First time I play with her, but she kept cool with the jokevotes so little info gained there.


My proporesd idea to lynch radish has been called a few things although I wonder where you get that it's illogical.  Also it's not over either.  I'll be posting something involving my thoughts on the new radish tomorrow.  Covering several topics from how he's read me wrong and thinks he's cleared to how some things he's doing aren't really improvements.  However that will have to wait till tomorrow. 


whatever your reasoning, killing someone you think is town is illogical. Even if you say it won't hurt the days we have, that is wrong. A no lynch is in effect a half day, so if the doc (if there is one) saves someone, then there is indeed an extra day of play sprining from this no lynch.

Killing someone you think is town really has no benefits. The only one you pointed isn't even true, all players can be manipulated and make mistakes, linkz is the example for last round, the "I healed linkz day 2 and 3" was a direct attempt at buddying up with him, and that most inevitably affected his judgement. I'd even say that manipulating linkz was more important than manipulating radish last round. Cause linkz could have shifted the town if he had a target in sights.

Also, you might want to further your logic by lynching the best players first... after all they are the most likely to be good at hiding in sheep's clothes and their backstabs would be the most deadly and yet stelthy to the town. At least here you don't lynch someone you think is townie, as the player quality is independent from his random role.

Oh and don't worry, Radish isn't cleared by a longshot.



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