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Wonktonodi on 13 February 2011
Linkzmax said:
theprof00 said:
Wonktonodi said:

It was me seeing if there were likemined people out there.  I won't deny I was pushing the option of lynching radish you might see that as the same as pushing his lynch, I however was making the case for it to be an option better than no lynch. 

bolded is exactly what mafia do.

Quoting prof, but this is directed more at Wonk.

What I don't get is that nobody even mentioned thinking about ending the day without a lynch, until you brought up radish as like a "last resort" option.

Also, I think you misunderstood prof about the bolded. I believe he means 'Mafia aren't seeing if other mafia are thinking along the same lines. They would be trying to see if there are townies that are thinking the same, so that they can capitalize on it.'


I'm aware of that no one was saying it. It was much more from just me and my thoughts on mafia day ones in general.  noname asked my thoughts I gave them freely. 

It is also helpful for townies to see who thinks like them as well.  I was'nt saying mafia don't I was saying townies do to. 



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Linkzmax on 13 February 2011
theprof00 said:

Just finished reading all of wonk's posts and can't help but notice how helpful he's been. I don't really know how that sits with me yet, but it does feel scummy. On top of that, it looks like he's been buddying up with me just now.

There was also something about stefl...

When someone named me alien chief, referencing players with numbers at the ned of their names, he said, "I think you've got something, vote theprof00".

The reply was, "ah a confession already?"

Then he never replied to that.

I'm honestly torn about who to vote for.

Wonk looks like a candidate; as does trashleg (simply due to her placid exterior), and radish too. But I'm not sure.

People who have been contributing lately don't jump out to me as mafia, so I find myself looking at the lurkers, sorry to say. Additionally I do feel compromised by the idea that I neither want to lynch radish or wonk on day 1.

I'll be back on later.

What do you mean by helpful? I think I understand, but I wouldn't say he's actually been helpful.  As far as that goes, I have to agree to disagree with Wonk.

As for the Stefl thing, I did pick up on that and Heph's reply. I thought it was odd that Heph didn't answer me there either. Since you're bringing it up again, wouldn't this not fit with your rule or are you also admitting that Heph's theory(as much of a joke as I thought it was) was spot on?

I'm not sure what you mean by trashleg's placid exterior. I'm going to go back and break down her vote of ABC, because I've been meaning to but just haven't had the time. Outside of Heph saying it's "flumsy" nobody else has really talked about the validity of it. Anyway, other than that post I haven't seen anything at all to change my stance from that of a neutral one.



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Wonktonodi on 13 February 2011
Linkzmax said:
Wonktonodi said:

prof I'm glad you don't trust radish. you shouldn't really trust him or anyone. Especially those who know how to get it.

What do you mean by the bolded, as in what is "it"?


The it is his trust. 



A Bad Clown on 13 February 2011
Linkzmax said:
theprof00 said:

Just finished reading all of wonk's posts and can't help but notice how helpful he's been. I don't really know how that sits with me yet, but it does feel scummy. On top of that, it looks like he's been buddying up with me just now.

There was also something about stefl...

When someone named me alien chief, referencing players with numbers at the ned of their names, he said, "I think you've got something, vote theprof00".

The reply was, "ah a confession already?"

Then he never replied to that.

I'm honestly torn about who to vote for.

Wonk looks like a candidate; as does trashleg (simply due to her placid exterior), and radish too. But I'm not sure.

People who have been contributing lately don't jump out to me as mafia, so I find myself looking at the lurkers, sorry to say. Additionally I do feel compromised by the idea that I neither want to lynch radish or wonk on day 1.

I'll be back on later.

What do you mean by helpful? I think I understand, but I wouldn't say he's actually been helpful.  As far as that goes, I have to agree to disagree with Wonk.

As for the Stefl thing, I did pick up on that and Heph's reply. I thought it was odd that Heph didn't answer me there either. Since you're bringing it up again, wouldn't this not fit with your rule or are you also admitting that Heph's theory(as much of a joke as I thought it was) was spot on?

I'm not sure what you mean by trashleg's placid exterior. I'm going to go back and break down her vote of ABC, because I've been meaning to but just haven't had the time. Outside of Heph saying it's "flumsy" nobody else has really talked about the validity of it. Anyway, other than that post I haven't seen anything at all to change my stance from that of a neutral one.


Comment: I believe he means that unlike many of us, she seems calm about her choices.



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Linkzmax on 13 February 2011
Wonktonodi said:

I still disagree on posting more vs posting better even mafia want fellow mafia to post better because lots of posts filled with nothing will reveal a scum even more than lurking can. Plus mafia would also want there teammates to post well to try and find any townies with a power role.

What I through out wasn't even an accusation.  It was an idea of what we could do if someone doesn't stand out.  However I did still give my reasons for it and stand by those even if others disagree. But that would just be general gameplay philosophy.

Huh, how does a mafiosi find townies with power roles through posting? Wouldn't that be done by observing the posting of the townies?



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theprof00 on 13 February 2011

Ah and linkz, to answer your question about yomi and Wonk's vote;

I feel at this time, it is important to clarify that when I say "wonk's vote" I mean, "Wonk's push", as he has not actually voted.

There are several options available to a mafia on day 1:

1Vote for mafia,

2Vote for townie,

3No lynch

 

Benefits of each:

1) Later appear town

2) Causes no suspicion later down the line, possible mislynch

3) Appear town short-term

 

Now, assuming that he is mafia, I am suggesting that he is in for the long haul. He has gone against "no lynch" option, which suggests that his ploy is to appear anti-town for the sake of appearing pro-town. This also coincides with his opinion that Radish is a liability in the long-term, coupled with the fact that if radish does flip scum, makes wonk look pro-town in the long-term.

What I am suggesting is that he IS using yomi, and this is the result.

However, if this is not what he is doing, but is in fact voting for a townie AND against "no lynch", I could not sufficiently say that his game has improved. This would not be yomi. So to answer your question, I don't believe he would vote for both a townie AND against "no lynch".

 

This is all, of course, meaningless if he is town.

 



Wonktonodi on 13 February 2011
Linkzmax said:
Wonktonodi said:

I still disagree on posting more vs posting better even mafia want fellow mafia to post better because lots of posts filled with nothing will reveal a scum even more than lurking can. Plus mafia would also want there teammates to post well to try and find any townies with a power role.

What I through out wasn't even an accusation.  It was an idea of what we could do if someone doesn't stand out.  However I did still give my reasons for it and stand by those even if others disagree. But that would just be general gameplay philosophy.

Huh, how does a mafiosi find townies with power roles through posting? Wouldn't that be done by observing the posting of the townies?

By posting things that get responces. By putting presure on people and trying to force them to role claim.  Plus many other possibilites.



theprof00 on 13 February 2011

This is being helpful:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3910133

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3910138

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3910271

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3910347

 

and ABC is correct, trashleg does appear to be very calm.



Linkzmax on 13 February 2011
Wonktonodi said:

No I'm admiting a mistake I did make. You're townie x was the person the scum would kill at night.  My townie x wasn't supposed to be that same person. The weakest player and the player most likely to be lynched day one are very unlikely to be the same person.  I started out  post without person x.  Then reworded it after useing person x without rechecking how you used it.  So it very much was a mistake that I made. 

Requoting you: "I it doesn't necessarily mean there would be another no lynch but it makes it much more likely. So although odds are that player X is a townie.  If a no lynch leads to the scum getting an extra kill.  Odds are it won't be player X and it 100% chance that the player is a townie.

If weakest player had a neutral or slightly positive effect on the town.  Meaning the participate, aren't a distraction. use sound reasoning, are clear in there posts. know what's going on and make informed decisions.  Then yes the town wouldn't be better off without them.  However if the weakest player has a negative effect on the town.  I'm all for taking the weakest player out.

However it seems the player that stands out is often the weakest player."

You never said "townie X" only "player X", and yes there is quite a distinction.

Also the bolded, do you mean "killed night one"? Otherwise wasn't your whole idea for the weakest player to be the one that is lynched day one? You're giving me a strong reason to believe my theory that you knew radish wouldn't be lynched.



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Linkzmax on 13 February 2011
Wonktonodi said:

I'm aware of that no one was saying it. It was much more from just me and my thoughts on mafia day ones in general.  noname asked my thoughts I gave them freely. 

It is also helpful for townies to see who thinks like them as well.  I was'nt saying mafia don't I was saying townies do to. 

The trouble is townies don't know if the person agreeing with them is a fellow townie or mafia. I seem to think like prof on a lot of things and that makes me very wary that he could actually be mafia leading me in the wrong direction. On the other hand, when several players seem to think the same then I know at least afew have to be townies and there's a good chance I'm on the right track.



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