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Wonktonodi said:
A Bad Clown said:
Wonktonodi said:
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Why would you need the prof to see if heph was a problem?  Or were you trying to mean you wanted to wait for the prof to be posting more so you could have your thoughts on him.  If the second is what you meant no one got that from your wording.

The second, sort of. I wantedto see prof post along with heph but that time I just wanted to see all the players start conversing and prof and tangent were the only ones not. I would have mentioned Tangent but he said he was gone and would come back yesterday...where the hell is tanget anyways?

Ok that makes sence but I hope you see how your wording caused people confusing and by not clearing it up makes you look worse.  I still have the other questions.  I requoted the post just a few of my posts back.

I was suspcious of Heph and Trashleg for both leaving rather quickly and chatting it up at the beggining. The first game I played two people were chatting casually and kept off the radar until at the end,  they were both mafia and I was the only townie left because people forgot about the game and didn't help me. I wanted to catch them right off the bat for trying to chat rather than start asking questions.



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Wonktonodi said:
radishhead said:
Wonktonodi said:
radishhead said:
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I thought that we'd solved this problem..

Don't forget that I didn't have a computer available last game - that was the reason that I couldn't keep up. 

I'll discuss my thoughts with you on this after this game. 

Why can't you talk now? If you've been paying attention to the game, you'll be able to tell that I'm in good condition.


Because it would get long and drawn out over a past game instead of focusing on this one and since this is the only place we can talk while this mafia game is going on it is best to wait.

Fair enough



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Oh yeah I didn't know Heph was from France until today, I thought he was from the US so leaving quickly would have been fishy.



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A Bad Clown said:
Wonktonodi said:
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Ok that makes sence but I hope you see how your wording caused people confusing and by not clearing it up makes you look worse.  I still have the other questions.  I requoted the post just a few of my posts back.

I was suspcious of Heph and Trashleg for both leaving rather quickly and chatting it up at the beggining. The first game I played two people were chatting casually and kept off the radar until at the end,  they were both mafia and I was the only townie left because people forgot about the game and didn't help me. I wanted to catch them right off the bat for trying to chat rather than start asking questions.

Well they are on the same time zone so if it was late for one it would be late for both.  Although you were in a game where two people who chatted casually in the begining turend out to both be scum. Chatting casually isn't really an indicatior that they are scem though.  They could be or they could both be town or one could be scum. 



Wonktonodi said:
A Bad Clown said:
Wonktonodi said:
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Ok that makes sence but I hope you see how your wording caused people confusing and by not clearing it up makes you look worse.  I still have the other questions.  I requoted the post just a few of my posts back.

I was suspcious of Heph and Trashleg for both leaving rather quickly and chatting it up at the beggining. The first game I played two people were chatting casually and kept off the radar until at the end,  they were both mafia and I was the only townie left because people forgot about the game and didn't help me. I wanted to catch them right off the bat for trying to chat rather than start asking questions.

Well they are on the same time zone so if it was late for one it would be late for both.  Although you were in a game where two people who chatted casually in the begining turend out to both be scum. Chatting casually isn't really an indicatior that they are scem though.  They could be or they could both be town or one could be scum. 

I thought about that and that's why I wasn't real suspicious of trashleg after them. Hep I still don't know, he needs to come on some more to get an idea.



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Restating a perennial mafia rule since it's not being followed:

Limit your quote clusters to 2 embedded quotes. To do this, simply click on the border of the quote cluster to be deleted to highlight it; hit delete; then type "quote snipped".

Secondly, for a similar reason as above, I think you should all focus your efforts elsewhere. I do not believe that any of you are mafioso, and your back and forths with each other are making the thread both excessively long and pointless. There is little info in any of those posts. I admit I have contributed to that tedium, and others have for the same reason:

ABC, please be as concise and accurate as possible. If someone asks you questions, number their questions and answer in a numerical format to ensure that you haven't skipped any, leading to further questioning and repetition, and theorizing on why you aren't answering.

@ABC, I read radish's posts and I don't really see anything in his words that are suspcious. I see a player who is eager to start a new game and be successful in his scum hunting. I think he is especially eager because he wants to make up for his last few games.

I get this similar feeling from all three of you: radish,ABC,Wonk

As for myself, I feel trangent is a good possible suspect, but without any posting it's going to be hard finding anything concrete. I asked him to make a vote and he didn't. While I would consider this to be suspicious normally, it's possible he could have simply missed my post. However, he did say he had "all day long" to post, and never said a word. So that's something...

Other than that, I would start looking at some other players, possibly ones that have actually been talkative, if superficial. I've been at work for the last 7 hours so I haven't gotten a chance to look around, but it's definitely a priority for me.



I'm thinking of

Final-Fan: He seems to just post a respone and leave, no one has really be able to ask him anything.

Orangetanget: Hasn't posted at all, he's probably busy but he should at least make an effort to tell us that.

Noname: He seemed to dissapear also, he hasn't posted since yesterday I believe.



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One thing I did notice in a quick skim is radish's vote, so I'd like to comment on that first before a more in-depth read.

A Bad Clown said:
radishhead said:
radishhead said:
A Bad Clown said:
radishhead said:

Strange turn of events - don't forget that I haven't actually been suspicious this game - the only time that I've been mentioned is where Wonk was picking me out as an example of a player that we could lynch to get the numbers down. You can ask me whatever, but I don't have much to say.


Why do you think Wonk didn't suggest anyone else though?

He suggested a few, after he realised that singling out me was a mistake.

Not only this, but he admitted that he didn't have any grounds to be suspicious of me, and merely made misguided remarks about the last game, which Linkz was quick to put right. Nobody could have saw that coming last game - that's why nen was given the MVP, for pulling it off so well. 

In my opinion, the way that you've managed to divert suspicion off yourself by targeting another player that has had their name mentioned a few times seems considerably more suspicious. Maybe you should have done the research, and actually realised that there was nothing going on there at all.

Vote: A Bad Clown

Now that doesn't seem suspicious at all...

In isolation, no I don't think the vote is suspicious. On the other hand, I don't think the reasoning is all that great. I don't see what else you should be doing. You seemed to handle the pressure fairly well and then moved back to scumhunting, and I think you and Wonk has been the only other major subject that jumps out with some players missing in action now becoming more apparent. What I mean by that is the conversation you've had with prof leaves me thinking along the lines that he seems to be thinking, which is there was a misunderstanding(more on this later) and then it escalated into a big deal about your playing experience. Your posting has gotten more serious, which I prefer over the joking; however, I still can't follow all of your logic, so I'm certainly going to go over your story with a fine-toothed comb to see if it adds up. At the moment I get the feeling that you're a distracting townie and I'll be fine with ignoring you for the most post, unless my investigation leads me to thinking you're scum and then I'll be adding my vote to the tally for you to be lynched.

In the grand scheme of things, I had been wondering if there'd be a "tipping point" vote on you. Specifically I've been thinking "why hasn't the lynch been pushed further after trashleg's vote." If you are a townie I was thinking scum would try to work in a vote sooner, unless there's already one or two votes on you but I don't really get that impression of the voters. This would make me a bit more suspicious of radish, but only slightly because I could be wrong about the others. If you are mafia I was thinking your scummates would either try to persuade the lynch away from you, ala Heph, or would've thought you're a sinking ship and would've bailed on you already with a vote. Now seems like it'd be an odd time to give up on you though, so I'd be less suspicious of radish if you're lynched and flip scum. So in the end, I'd only see it as suspicious if you, noname, FF, and trashleg are all townies, which seems quite improbable to me.

Alright, time to get cracking on what will likely be a looooong post. Hopefully I'll be able to multi-quote, but I plan on using links mostly to cut down on size.



A Bad Clown said:
theprof00 said:

For the last and final time; You were interrogated by several people because you wrote, "I'm going to wait for prof to check him out to see if he's a problem".

In English, this means, "I want prof to interrogate my suspect and confirm if I might be on to something".

I'm not going to waste any more time with you. If you become too much of a distraction to me, I won't hesitate to vote for you. 

I will check out Radish, like you asked, but I'm not discussing anything more with you until you realize what you are doing wrong, because until you figure that out, I can't take anything you say seriously.

At that point in the game I assumed no one was suspicous of anyone so I didn't think I needed to type "I will wait for prof to join, so I can check him out to see if he's a problem.

That is a ridiculous assumption, contrary to the entire premise of a mafia game. 



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A Bad Clown said:
radishhead said:
A Bad Clown said:

4. Everyone else in this game seems to be inactive so if you appeal to the most active, he'd easily spread the decision. I haven't seen final-fan for a while and he already voted me.

4. Actually, where is FF? Besides, just because I'm active, doesn't mean that you need to target me - it's not like you've been posting particularly worthwhile arguments anyway, just ones spliced together from Wonk's posts.

Both final fan and tanget are missing, I think heph has an excuse because he's from France. FF did post once today and then left.



First off, am I really such a chatterbox that being absent for FIVE WHOLE HOURS causes mass panic? 

Secondly, I am very annoyed at ABC for complaining about my absence when he has yet to answer the question I posed to him before I left! 

Seriously now.  ABC is at this point just a pile of self-contradictory nonsense and I want him to die. 



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