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Final-Fan on 11 February 2011
A Bad Clown said:
Linkzmax said:

Boy do I love coming home and seeing a ton of new posts, it's so much more exciting than returning after 24 hours to see 3 posts, 1 of which is the mod.

After a quick read through(because I'm not sure how long I'll be around right now, if I have more time than expected I'll go deeper) I find myself siding quite a bit with radish and very much not so with Wonk. I can't help but wonder if Wonk is trying to set up a mislynch in the guise that 'at least radish is anti-town even as a townie.' I'll definitely be detailing my thoughts on this issue when I have the time.

I'm also wondering if A Bad Clown is an alt. My memory of reading through the earlier games for the archives is quite bad, but I recall in one round one player wasn't taking the game serious at all, claimed he was a cop when he was really the doctor and was either modkilled or lynched quite quickly. What I'm getting at is I get the feeling that ABC is joking around about everything. Sure he's listed some suspects, but the reasoning is so ridiculous that I question whether he's a terrible-at-acting mafiosi or just a terrible townie. Neither of which is great for town, but as I said with radish, a mislynch could be quite costly in such a small game and considering the FoSes and votes already it look like he's a strong contender for the gallows. I for one will be doing a thorough reread of his posts and interactions with others before(and if) I upgrade my FoS to a vote.

No I am not an alt, I already explained this to several people. And I believe you're talking about scifi boy. In our game (on the other site) he was the recruiter but roleclaimed Cop. He seriously sucks at that...

No, I think he might be thinking of megaman.  He clearly did not take the game seriously at all, and IIRC he claimed to be doctor, cop, day-cop, and then we lynched him and he really was the doctor.  This was like Day 1 or maybe 2. 

Or something like that.  Point being, ABC isn't behaving THAT badly. 



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Hephaestos on 11 February 2011

Now, the joke flood did get the game going nicely and we definitely have some interesting discutions.

it seems there are 3 centers of interest:

_ radish does seem to play a bit differently, which is either progression or suspicious...i wouldn't mind input from him on the other 2 situations to gauge that.

_ trangen... did say he'd have plenty of time today and disapeared with his promess of remarks...it's barely 48 hours since the game started, so there wouldn't be much to hold against him had he not said such things. Still, he did and will have to talk soon as he lit the fire under himself....

_as i said, I too am suspisious of abc, but i believe most of the points on him to seem a bit exagerated.... then again in the past 50 posts he made a bunch of  less serious replies that do warrant the previous remarks on him... it feels like i'm reading the thread in dissorder :-/ which either shows insight be his detractors or some scummyness from them combined by odd reactions from him...

oh well... 5 AM, see you in about 15hs :p



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Final-Fan on 11 February 2011
Final-Fan said:

No, I think he might be thinking of megaman.  He clearly did not take the game seriously at all, and IIRC he claimed to be doctor, cop, day-cop, and then we lynched him and he really was the doctor.  This was like Day 1 or maybe 2. 

Or something like that.  Point being, ABC isn't behaving THAT badly. 

HA!  I thought it was Game 8.  http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=89513&page=8
(page 8 @ 50 per is when megaman goes bonkers)

Highlights: 
"Although I did not post last night, however I did investigate Final-fan and Nordlead."
"Just to clarify one was investigated through pm WOW, the other I did through their posts!"
"...the results I am unable to share, as the investigation is still progressing..."



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A Bad Clown on 11 February 2011
Final-Fan said:
Final-Fan said:

No, I think he might be thinking of megaman.  He clearly did not take the game seriously at all, and IIRC he claimed to be doctor, cop, day-cop, and then we lynched him and he really was the doctor.  This was like Day 1 or maybe 2. 

Or something like that.  Point being, ABC isn't behaving THAT badly. 

HA!  I thought it was Game 8.  http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=89513&page=8
(page 8 @ 50 per is when megaman goes bonkers)

Highlights: 
"Although I did not post last night, however I did investigate Final-fan and Nordlead."
"Just to clarify one was investigated through pm WOW, the other I did through their posts!"
"...the results I am unable to share, as the investigation is still progressing..."

SciFi tried to bluff being pro town when he already was in the 2 games I played with him...



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Linkzmax on 11 February 2011
Final-Fan said:
Final-Fan said:

No, I think he might be thinking of megaman.  He clearly did not take the game seriously at all, and IIRC he claimed to be doctor, cop, day-cop, and then we lynched him and he really was the doctor.  This was like Day 1 or maybe 2. 

Or something like that.  Point being, ABC isn't behaving THAT badly. 

HA!  I thought it was Game 8.  http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=89513&page=8
(page 8 @ 50 per is when megaman goes bonkers)

Highlights: 
"Although I did not post last night, however I did investigate Final-fan and Nordlead."
"Just to clarify one was investigated through pm WOW, the other I did through their posts!"
"...the results I am unable to share, as the investigation is still progressing..."

Ah yes that is the player and game I was thinking of, and now I remember reading it because of your sig. I agree ABC is not on that same level as I don't feel he's caused any confusion yet, but so far things aren't very promising imo.

Anyway, I'm back now and going to pick up where I left off.



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Linkzmax on 11 February 2011
radishhead said:

Obviously lynches give you more information, but a (mis)lynch on the first day isn't going to give you much information, is it? The only thing that it would do is reduce the numbers so that you have better odds next time - which isn't worth killing a townie just out of curiosity. You're right in that there isn't much behaviour to read on day 1, and clearly we disagree, but I reckon that 9 times out of 10 that a no-lynch is best if there isn't anything solid to go on. Especially in a game with such a low player count as this.

A mislynch on the first day could give a fair bit of information if certain players are really pushing for it. For example if you were to be lynched, I would have already been very suspicious of Wonk as I thought he felt you were likely a townie and thus even more so if it turns out to be true, but since he's clarified that he's neutral it's a little less suspicious to me. He'd probably still be at the top of my scumspects for being so vocal about lynching you though. On the other hand, if you flip scum then I'd have to question if a mafia-Wonk would sacrifice a teammate day one or if townie-Wonk basically just got lucky.

@Wonk:
The trouble is at the moment we only have you basically saying radish should be lynched if nobody else seems scummy enough, so I don't see much information to be gained at all. There's either going to be players siding with you and voting for that reason(or pretending) and those disagreeing with it. So in that regards, radish is right if he would indeed be a mislynch.



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A Bad Clown on 12 February 2011

Gotta go sleep, tangetspree never showed up today lol.



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Linkzmax on 12 February 2011
Wonktonodi said:
noname2200 said:
Wonktonodi said:
noname2200 said:
Wonktonodi said:

No not purely based this game so far

Not purely the last 2 games

and no not purely based on other people performance today, but a combination of the three.

What part of his performance this game are you referring to?  Follow up: why do you think we must lynch someone today?

Well the only one that really stands out to me is this.

radishhead said:

Going to sleep - desperately hoping that the game isn't going to explode overnight. Had a hard time keeping up last round x(

Mostly the odd number we have but also I see the lynch not only as a tool to find scum but to also give the town what in my opinion would be a better chance.  

What part of that post makes you suspect that radishead is scum?  I'll admit, I'm not certain what you're seeing there. 


not saying scum just saying I'd rather not have someone who has trouble catching up being there in the endgame.  So it fits more with the his performance being similar to previous games. 

My main problem with your proposal is that you really don't seem suspicious of radish at all. The rest of this post is said with the assumption that radish is a townie, so if he's actually mafia then it's all moot:

Even if the chances are he'd be a pawn at endgame if it comes down to him making the choice, you're not improving the odds of town winning. Anyone can be duped, heck I fell for nen's claim too and was actually the one that pushed for a lynch when town was at four instead of at three, but you're not suggesting I head for the gallows. Disregarding roles for the moment, you'd only be increasing the chances of town winning compared to a mislynch of a townie that is very unlikely to make the wrong call if there is an endgame situation. It's fine for you to have that opinion, but it's far from a gaurantee in my mind. Even better still would be a no lynch even if it provides less information, because if the endgame is pushed needlessly sooner than it just increases the chances of any townie making the wrong call and the game being over.

So really what I'm getting at is I don't advocate your idea at all. It's far wiser to continue prodding players and then lynch a player based on suspicious behavior. As a note, because of the odd number of players I don't plan on voting no lynch either, but if a deadline is institued I'd consider it an option if nobody sticks out enough to me.



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Wonktonodi on 12 February 2011
Linkzmax said:
radishhead said:

Obviously lynches give you more information, but a (mis)lynch on the first day isn't going to give you much information, is it? The only thing that it would do is reduce the numbers so that you have better odds next time - which isn't worth killing a townie just out of curiosity. You're right in that there isn't much behaviour to read on day 1, and clearly we disagree, but I reckon that 9 times out of 10 that a no-lynch is best if there isn't anything solid to go on. Especially in a game with such a low player count as this.

A mislynch on the first day could give a fair bit of information if certain players are really pushing for it. For example if you were to be lynched, I would have already been very suspicious of Wonk as I thought he felt you were likely a townie and thus even more so if it turns out to be true, but since he's clarified that he's neutral it's a little less suspicious to me. He'd probably still be at the top of my scumspects for being so vocal about lynching you though. On the other hand, if you flip scum then I'd have to question if a mafia-Wonk would sacrifice a teammate day one or if townie-Wonk basically just got lucky.

@Wonk:
The trouble is at the moment we only have you basically saying radish should be lynched if nobody else seems scummy enough, so I don't see much information to be gained at all. There's either going to be players siding with you and voting for that reason(or pretending) and those disagreeing with it. So in that regards, radish is right if he would indeed be a mislynch.


If information from a lynch was all I wanted I'd be going about it all wrong.  It was also about.. no matter how I try and word it. It feels mean.  It was about taking out a weaker player. Not to the extent of a lurker or liar but someone who plays inconsistently. The more I try and think of ways of wording it the more it makes me feel like a bully not wanting someone to play a game.  When it's really just that if the suspicions of today come out to be mostly equal I'd rather take my chances that the weaker player is scum. 

However with the focus there is on ABC and the lack of posts by tranget and slowing of posts by other people since the joking stoped I think there is much more to discuss than my thoughts on an alternative for what to do today.



Wonktonodi on 12 February 2011
Linkzmax said:
Wonktonodi said:
noname2200 said:
Wonktonodi said:
noname2200 said:
Wonktonodi said:

No not purely based this game so far

Not purely the last 2 games

and no not purely based on other people performance today, but a combination of the three.

What part of his performance this game are you referring to?  Follow up: why do you think we must lynch someone today?

Well the only one that really stands out to me is this.

radishhead said:

Going to sleep - desperately hoping that the game isn't going to explode overnight. Had a hard time keeping up last round x(

Mostly the odd number we have but also I see the lynch not only as a tool to find scum but to also give the town what in my opinion would be a better chance.  

What part of that post makes you suspect that radishead is scum?  I'll admit, I'm not certain what you're seeing there. 


not saying scum just saying I'd rather not have someone who has trouble catching up being there in the endgame.  So it fits more with the his performance being similar to previous games. 

My main problem with your proposal is that you really don't seem suspicious of radish at all. The rest of this post is said with the assumption that radish is a townie, so if he's actually mafia then it's all moot:

Even if the chances are he'd be a pawn at endgame if it comes down to him making the choice, you're not improving the odds of town winning. Anyone can be duped, heck I fell for nen's claim too and was actually the one that pushed for a lynch when town was at four instead of at three, but you're not suggesting I head for the gallows. Disregarding roles for the moment, you'd only be increasing the chances of town winning compared to a mislynch of a townie that is very unlikely to make the wrong call if there is an endgame situation. It's fine for you to have that opinion, but it's far from a gaurantee in my mind. Even better still would be a no lynch even if it provides less information, because if the endgame is pushed needlessly sooner than it just increases the chances of any townie making the wrong call and the game being over.

So really what I'm getting at is I don't advocate your idea at all. It's far wiser to continue prodding players and then lynch a player based on suspicious behavior. As a note, because of the odd number of players I don't plan on voting no lynch either, but if a deadline is institued I'd consider it an option if nobody sticks out enough to me.

Well if you want to compair yourself to radish.  Radish twice hammerd without even knowing it.  One of those times ending what ended up being the last time I could have talked.  You take time and let the discussion keep going.  You read and reread radish said he had trouble keeping up with last game and even says that this game hoping to not be bombared with posts.. You get excited when there are lots of posts. You I can talk things out with. Heck that was part of why I was willing to share the idea I had because I know at least you would read it think about it and talk it over with me. 

I'm heading out but I will say more on this when I come back.