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Dammit, my eye is still black AND we lost FF!



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theprof00 said:

Not unexpected.

theprof00 said:

Well, aside from this long post, I think it was a pretty meh choice for a kill. Still, some things to think about

Don't these statements kind of contradict each other? If you don't mind answering, who would've been an expected choice? Also, it's rather interesting how self-centered you are.

I would also say it's not unexpected though; however, I'm not sure FF was chosen to implicate anyone. He may have voted you and been against trash towards the end of yesterday, but I noticed that just about everyone wasn't suspicious of him. To compare him to you, I believe it would've been far more difficult to push his lynch than yours. I'm thinking he was chosen because it leaves more players that are better lynch candidates. If this is the case, I'm trying to decide if alien-radish made a mistake because he'll stick out now or if it's part of the plan to cause radish to be looked at.

Anyway, if I were to vote now it would be for trash. Day two was some of the scummiest behavior I've seen all round. I also noticed some pre-distancing from Heph fairly early in day one, and since he ruled out masons I'm leaning toward alien partners. I learned my lesson typing up a big post during the night when GOW was killed, so I'll get to work on the links now.



Hephaestos said:
Linkzmax said:
Hephaestos said:

3) unlikely? right damn stupid of them to kill you if you are a miller... there is no way for the town to check you and down the line, between you and 4 other players, odds are higher of you having made a bet as you're a likely cop night target.

3) Yes, now I am as unconfirmable as anyone else that hasn't been investigated by a confirmed cop come endgame. There's a better reason it'd be stupid though. Anyway, what are you getting at with the bolded? I don't understand it.

3) that you claiming miller has a high probablility of being a strategy. As you're likely to be scanned, you could have though to prehemptively explain why the guilty result. Your early confession is the only thing that tips the balance thowards town as indeed we won't waist a night investigation on you, you've scanned yourself there. (dunno if i'm clearer there).

Coming back to this; I wanted to know why you said "between you and 4 other players." Why was it narrowed down to 5 when we'd be at 7 today?



Hephaestos said:

Were you aware that you were distancing yourself from trash long before she did the same to you?

here you call her vote on ABC "flumsy." This was after he had said you talked a lot and you two tried to brush it off.
After the "192 posts" discussion and prof's "barrage" against it, you finally explain what you meant here.

I didn't like the vote either, I said so myself, but I question the timing. Yes I realize your second post only came up because noname asked about it and that was after "192", but it's the original "flumsy" without any explanation that bothers me.



Linkzmax said:
theprof00 said:

Not unexpected.

theprof00 said:

Well, aside from this long post, I think it was a pretty meh choice for a kill. Still, some things to think about

Don't these statements kind of contradict each other? If you don't mind answering, who would've been an expected choice? Also, it's rather interesting how self-centered you are.

I would also say it's not unexpected though; however, I'm not sure FF was chosen to implicate anyone. He may have voted you and been against trash towards the end of yesterday, but I noticed that just about everyone wasn't suspicious of him. To compare him to you, I believe it would've been far more difficult to push his lynch than yours. I'm thinking he was chosen because it leaves more players that are better lynch candidates. If this is the case, I'm trying to decide if alien-radish made a mistake because he'll stick out now or if it's part of the plan to cause radish to be looked at.

Anyway, if I were to vote now it would be for trash. Day two was some of the scummiest behavior I've seen all round. I also noticed some pre-distancing from Heph fairly early in day one, and since he ruled out masons I'm leaning toward alien partners. I learned my lesson typing up a big post during the night when GOW was killed, so I'll get to work on the links now.

Honestly, I would've expected noname. He's a subtler choice and has made himself my "impedence" since his crusade declaration. Did I not mention that in my post? He's a kill that could've pointed to me while not coming off as overly pointing at me.

I'll agree that he's a good townie to kill. That should have been a further possible explanation. I'm sure you're already aware of this, but it is possible to kill as a combination of reasons.

To defend myself against self-centeredness, it is true that I've had more interaction with FF than he has with really anyone else. I think I have good cause to think this relates to me, but I won't push that it must. I could always be wrong. 

Your explanation does make sense in the fact that I thought it's too overtly implicating me. It may have absolutely nothing to do with me, and everything to do with him being seen as a townie by very many.

Also, I will point out that despite having the most fights with FF, and routinely called him scummy, I also felt he was a through and through townie, mentioned in several places...even during day 1.



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To clarify, I said "not unexpected". I expected him or another "opponent" of mine to be killed, and I really thought it would've been noname to be honest.



theprof00 said:

To clarify, I said "not unexpected". I expected him or another "opponent" of mine to be killed, and I really thought it would've been noname to be honest.

Ahhh, yes you did mention noname. I just got wrapped up in the talk about FF and it slipped my mind. Just struck me as odd that you said "not unexpected" and then called it meh, is all. Though I can see why FF was chosen,(and yes I understand there can be multiple reasons) I wouldn't have been surprised if you had died either. Assuming you are a townie, trash asking for your investigation could give scum a reason to eliminate what would later be a confirmed innocent.



theprof00 said:

several possible explanations for why ff was killed.

To get started;

Killing FF does several things in relation to me
a) FF is a barrier to my play. He questions me with exaggerations and generally derails my thought process as all I notice are his exaggerations and start arguing over semantics. Even if I put down a solid point, he will say something like, "that's just what you want us to think". 
b) FF was willing to lynch Trash. Trash is also my suspect (pretty much confirmed in my eyes) This is possibly done in combination with A.

To extrapolate on both points;

a1) Killing FF does place suspicion on me. If the goal of this kill were to make me look scum, I'd say this was a decent choice, but probably not the best choice. This kill appears too overtly indicative to actually be indicative of anything. Of course, were FF here, he would say I would do this to "hide in plain sight". 
a2) On the other hand, and probably very unlikely, they would do this not to implicate me, but to implicate the people I either suspect, or the people who suspect me by merit of trying to APPEAR to take me out. I honestly don't believe this is the case as it's too complicated. This is more likely something I would do if I were mafia, and after being mafia once, I know that I can't trust the townies to figure something like this out and play into my hands (no offense). 

b) Removes someone that was on my side for an upcoming lynch. Not really much else to comment on in this point.

 

What interests me the most, is why haven't they simply killed me yet? Are they really expecting me to be lynched on suspicion? If so, why the hell would you take out FF? He'd be on my bandwagon immediately. Are mafia really expecting people to be so suspicious that they'd be willing to lynch me based on FF's death alone? I can't believe that, honestly. This is why the plan looks devious to me; because it's too obvious. So, are the mafia the people that I want to lynch, or the outsiders?

I still firmly believe that trash is one, and if they've "given up" on her, then I could see how it's the case that the other is an outsider, but who would that be?


I said yesterday that if I died in the night, I'd have you pegged as an alien. So if I survived, you must not be mafia.

This was a bluff. I figured that if I died, it would be because the aliens would WANT the survivors to believe that you had done it, which might be too obvious. Therefore, if you were an alien you'd keep me alive so that you don't look alien.

Which gets us into that WIFOM situation.

Was my lynch "upcoming"? Is that what you're saying? Because so far it looks to me like only you and Final Fan were suspicious, and I don't believe I was even that high up his list. Honestly, if I was an alien I'd be more scared of what damage your talking could have done to me than FF's, given how scummy you said you thought I was yesterday.

Maybe they are expecting you to be lynched on suspicion. For my part, I have at times been suspicious of both you and FF, and at other times been certain that you were both harmless yet intensely paranoid townies. I'm sure of the latter now.

Vote: Alien Bad Clown.

(FoS: Heph)



Highwaystar101 said: trashleg said that if I didn't pay back the money she leant me, she would come round and break my legs... That's why people call her trashleg, because she trashes the legs of the people she loan sharks money to.
Linkzmax said:
Hephaestos said:
Linkzmax said:
Hephaestos said:

3) unlikely? right damn stupid of them to kill you if you are a miller... there is no way for the town to check you and down the line, between you and 4 other players, odds are higher of you having made a bet as you're a likely cop night target.

3) Yes, now I am as unconfirmable as anyone else that hasn't been investigated by a confirmed cop come endgame. There's a better reason it'd be stupid though. Anyway, what are you getting at with the bolded? I don't understand it.

3) that you claiming miller has a high probablility of being a strategy. As you're likely to be scanned, you could have though to prehemptively explain why the guilty result. Your early confession is the only thing that tips the balance thowards town as indeed we won't waist a night investigation on you, you've scanned yourself there. (dunno if i'm clearer there).

Coming back to this; I wanted to know why you said "between you and 4 other players." Why was it narrowed down to 5 when we'd be at 7 today?

If there's 2 mafia left, that would be lylo. I'm not considering you before then to be honnest.



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Linkzmax said:
Hephaestos said:

Were you aware that you were distancing yourself from trash long before she did the same to you?

here you call her vote on ABC "flumsy." This was after he had said you talked a lot and you two tried to brush it off.
After the "192 posts" discussion and prof's "barrage" against it, you finally explain what you meant here.

I didn't like the vote either, I said so myself, but I question the timing. Yes I realize your second post only came up because noname asked about it and that was after "192", but it's the original "flumsy" without any explanation that bothers me.

you do realize that the first post was my take on the only 3 people under the radar at the time correct? it's not distancing when i give my take on all the current suspects, i'd call this rather neutral.

the rest of your post is an analysis, I don't think you're asking me to answer on something there.



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