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Hephaestos on 25 February 2011
theprof00 said:

Heph would push, as after the flip he was seriously tunneling on me


you mean my posts that said I found your logic wrong with the i noticed it posts? the ones that ended up being a lie? Yeah that was so unfounded of me.

Heck, unless I missunderstood the whole thing, FF probably deserves an appology.



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Hephaestos on 25 February 2011
Linkzmax said:
Hephaestos said:
Linkzmax said:

1) I'm pretty sure I never questioned there being a cop in this game. If I had it was after the theory that Republic was killed because of a conversation about there being a doctor. I didn't want my insistance that there is a cop to come off as a sign that I am such.

2) I don't believe that's the case, but I'm sure that was directed elsewhere. However, you were actually correct about me being a bit nervous when you had voted me day one. I was worried about becoming suspicious on top of being considered a good player and getting scanned.

3) I'd say that's a valid statement. I was thinking someone might've scanned me and had been trying to make it to day three without having to out themselves, with the thinking being town is already down and needs to make up for it. That'd be quite risky though, and I haven't noticed anyone acting strangely towards me as I would expect if they had scanned me guilty.

4) Okay. That's indefensible though. Unless you'd like me to paraphrase the flavor from my role PM. I didn't even understand it's relevance until the night flavor, when it was revealed that the aliens control humans from within the heart. I have undergone a surgery which left a noticeable blemish on my chest. That's also why I still read the flavor as indicating Wonk could've been an alien.

5) Again, I don't think protown roles would be hinted, and set ups feel like something scum would do to later fakeclaim. On top of that, I figured that I am the spice and there wouldn't be anything else. Finally, the fact that you weren't targeted last night still rings bells with me, but that's more day two than one.(And it's why you stayed at HoS while trash dropped to an FoS)

6) It is still something I'm considering, but with Stefl's post I'm leaning heavily towards a 3-man(or woman) scumteam. I think I was included to prevent a game of "follow the cop" while still having the powerful combo of doc and cop. I wouldn't be entirely surprised if there is additional town power, but every claim should be scrutinized.


1) well more asking the town than you but thanks for the foresight.

2) same, but thanks for the revelation.

3) Well you'll probably get lynched down the line regardless.

4) not asking for a defence, as you say it's indefensible and 3).

5) As I said I don't really have the time to go back today, but i'll look at your reaction to the discutions where I talked about "spice". In any case I can fairly well understand my not dying by being to much in view yesterday to be deemed a power role and too likely to be a suspect today to be worth a lynch. Proff spoke about the reasons why him you and I didn't get lynched and it seems like killing one of you two would have had a better outcome for mafia by sentencing me. I'm not all that convinced the mafia had that reflexion but i'm not especially surprised they didn't kill me, especially if they saw the doc clue on wonk.

6) oh yeah I forgot about stefl's post at the begining.... it's also true he didn't joke about confessing (if I recall). In any case yes, any claim should be scrutinized, i'm trying to lay the blueprint for that with questions 1) and 2).

3) Not sure I like this as it implies that there's no chance of me being night killed. I think it's unlikely and I don't want to get into reasons, but there's nothing preventing it from happening.

5) Not stopping you or anyone else from looking back into it, but here was my reply on the "spice", which was also when I voted for you. http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3919375

3) unlikely? right damn stupid of them to kill you if you are a miller... there is no way for the town to check you and down the line, between you and 4 other players, odds are higher of you having made a bet as you're a likely cop night target.

It's not for nothing that you revealed this when the best outcome is no lynch, it's because you don't risk being lynched today.

5) how generous of you, thanks.... guess your reaction was pretty neutral to that. In any case, you by default stay at HoS until we get 2 mafia.



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theprof00 on 25 February 2011
Hephaestos said:
theprof00 said:

Heph would push, as after the flip he was seriously tunneling on me


you mean my posts that said I found your logic wrong with the i noticed it posts? the ones that ended up being a lie? Yeah that was so unfounded of me.

Heck, unless I missunderstood the whole thing, FF probably deserves an appology.

Well, I'll give you that... Are you saying you would not push?

What's your opinion of what I did? I don't think I've heard you comment on it at all...but perhaps I'm wrong.
I'll go check again.



Final-Fan on 25 February 2011
Final-Fan said:
theprof00 said:
theprof00 said:
Why did you only now tell us about your nintendo forum experience?
Are you aware that you've already told us this several games ago?

I may have posted this in a joking way, but I do want an answer:  have you not totally contradicted yourself? 



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Linkzmax on 25 February 2011
Hephaestos said:

actually writting this I was like "oops there's only trash and me left in non US time zone".... But stefl being EU too, this could void my theory completely. Also what role could have held up the night? cop does not take 3 days to turn in an investigation request...

In any case it's a point of notice and some will find it interesting.

I never said it was due to a role either. I agree it's unlikely the cop would take so long to target someone, but I would also think 2.5 days is incredibly long for scum to pick a target regardless of possible complications due to absenteeism or timezones. I'm not trying to shut it down as others may find merit, I was just noting that I do not.

Hephaestos said:

Linkzmax said:

It still seems odd to me that she put me in Town, and as in the quote nest above once again said she[trash] believes me to be a townie. As always, I can't self-analyze worth squat, but I don't think I've been playing differently which should make me "borderline" rather than a pro-town read. Going to need others' input on this, but it also feels like buddying up, which is just bizarre to me. Though trash, props for not jumping at the easy target.(me)

borderline is past games analysis, she has a fresh view, I don't see how you can compare it.

Exactly, I can't. That's why I was asking for others' input. Thank you for yours.

Hephaestos said:

Linkzmax said:

3) Not sure I like this as it implies that there's no chance of me being night killed. I think it's unlikely and I don't want to get into reasons, but there's nothing preventing it from happening.

5) Not stopping you or anyone else from looking back into it, but here was my reply on the "spice", which was also when I voted for you. http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3919375

3) unlikely? right damn stupid of them to kill you if you are a miller... there is no way for the town to check you and down the line, between you and 4 other players, odds are higher of you having made a bet as you're a likely cop night target.

It's not for nothing that you revealed this when the best outcome is no lynch, it's because you don't risk being lynched today.

5) how generous of you, thanks.... guess your reaction was pretty neutral to that. In any case, you by default stay at HoS until we get 2 mafia.

3) Yes, now I am as unconfirmable as anyone else that hasn't been investigated by a confirmed cop come endgame. There's a better reason it'd be stupid though. Anyway, what are you getting at with the bolded? I don't understand it.

I already explained why I waited until now to claim. I knew I'd be putting myself in a hot seat, but really it was the best thing to do. If I'm going to be lynched then I will fight against it tooth and nail; however, at least this way it wouldn't mean a wasted investigation AND outing the cop for no reason.

5) You're welcome, I have nothing to hide. I'm not worried about the HoS, except that it sounds like you're just going to vote me after finding another alien, if the game isn't simply won there.



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Final-Fan on 25 February 2011
Linkzmax said:
Hephaestos said:

Linkzmax said:
5) Not stopping you or anyone else from looking back into it, but here was my reply on the "spice", which was also when I voted for you. http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3919375
5) how generous of you, thanks.... guess your reaction was pretty neutral to that. In any case, you by default stay at HoS until we get 2 mafia.
5) You're welcome, I have nothing to hide. I'm not worried about the HoS, except that it sounds like you're just going to vote me after finding another alien, if the game isn't simply won there.

I initially took that to mean that if we find 2 mafia and the game isn't over (i.e. there's a 3rd mafia), then he will be more inclined to believe there was a miller.  But now that I'm typing it out, I don't see why that would make any sense.  So ... I guess I have no idea. 



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theprof00 on 25 February 2011
Final-Fan said:
Final-Fan said:
theprof00 said:
theprof00 said:
Why did you only now tell us about your nintendo forum experience?
Are you aware that you've already told us this several games ago?

I may have posted this in a joking way, but I do want an answer:  have you not totally contradicted yourself? 

maybe you should have quoted it for radish's attention?

Or maybe you should ask him why he thinks he's saying things for the first time that he's told us before.



Final-Fan on 25 February 2011
theprof00 said:
Final-Fan said:
Final-Fan said:
theprof00 said:
theprof00 said:
Why did you only now tell us about your nintendo forum experience?
Are you aware that you've already told us this several games ago?

I may have posted this in a joking way, but I do want an answer:  have you not totally contradicted yourself? 

maybe you should have quoted it for radish's attention?

Or maybe you should ask him why he thinks he's saying things for the first time that he's told us before.

So you're saying that after the first question, you remembered/researched and found that you should instead be asking the second?  

Actually, can you remember/locate where you heard it before?  I had been there when he revealed his Nintendo forum Mafia games, but I was not aware of the specific stuff he mentioned like how infamous he was on that forum, and how he had never actually lived long enough to play the game at all. 



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theprof00 on 26 February 2011
Final-Fan said:
theprof00 said:
Final-Fan said:
Final-Fan said:
theprof00 said:
theprof00 said:
Why did you only now tell us about your nintendo forum experience?
Are you aware that you've already told us this several games ago?

I may have posted this in a joking way, but I do want an answer:  have you not totally contradicted yourself? 

maybe you should have quoted it for radish's attention?

Or maybe you should ask him why he thinks he's saying things for the first time that he's told us before.

So you're saying that after the first question, you remembered/researched and found that you should instead be asking the second?  

Actually, can you remember/locate where you heard it before?  I had been there when he revealed his Nintendo forum Mafia games, but I was not aware of the specific stuff he mentioned like how infamous he was on that forum, and how he had never actually lived long enough to play the game at all. 

yes he said he always died night one.

And I knew he had said it before I asked.

You're not the slightest bit intrigued that I asked him that question and he left and never answered it?
You're not the slightest bit curious how the "NEW" radish, can not know things he's done in previous games?



theprof00 on 26 February 2011

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3761760

then

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3762335

I think there's a lot more in the thread.

While I agree that he's never said he was a fanboy, or hated, we've known that he gets killed all the time very early adn that everything he says ends up in his own lynch.