This is my original question:
| theprof00 said:
I want to know every person who didn't notice that clue, and I want it answered honestly. If you lie to me, it will be harder to figure this out.
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Linkz said:
"I already answered the question in an earlier post. Yes, I did notice "scalpel" in the flavor. Though you never asked this question; no, I didn't read Wonk's post during the night."
After conversing with Linkz, he then admitted that though he saw the scalpel and thinking it might've been a clue, he wasn't entirely sure that Wonk was the doctor.
Radish additionally was saying he noticed the scalpel, but didn't notice that it was a clue.
Those are not the answers I want. I want to know if you took it as a clue to wonk being the doc.
So, the question evolved:
"ok, I would just like a recap of people who noticed and did not notice the "scalpel" in the lynch flavor at the beginning of night one.
Everyone please answer this rephrased question: "Did you know wonk was the doc during night 1". "
At this point, people were saying they noticed the scalpel, but didn't think it was a clue, so I clarified:
"I'm talking about IF you specifically noticed it, or if you just thought it was just flavor."
THEN, I specifically asked you
"FF, let me ask you something.
You make it seem like you believed the roleclaim, but you say that you didn't notice the flavor hint? Is that right?
same question for Heph; it appears I jumped the gun saying you didn't know based on your incredulity of his claim.
Did you notice the scalpel as a clue, or did you not?"
and again:
"Also, FF can you answer clearly for my list?
Did you notice the scalpel and did it make you think he was the doc? Answer as clearly as possible."
your response was:
"Well, I THOUGHT I'd noticed -- I read the flavor and did not overlook the fact that Wonk had a scalpel -- but maybe not, based on your new conditions: I didn't really think about the night post in terms of clues, because it didn't matter to me. "
Here you wrote, "new conditions" as if I've been moving goal posts around. You also say you saw the word, but didn't think it had anything to do with wonk being the doc.
Meanwhile; Linkzmax wrote this: (with your response below)
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Okay, I admit now that it's more likely that you're on to something that may have actually occured.
Shame on Truck though for the slip-up or at the very least, for influencing opinions. The help is nice, but it's supposed to be up to us to figure these things out on our own. |
I strenuously disagree. Your position is essentially that a mod can't even say he's pleased people enjoy the flavor, for fear that someone will make a conspiracy theory out of it.
Or are you saying simply that he should have kept silent about prof's conspiracy theory he built around TOS's original comment? I wouldn't object to that, although I can't really assign any significance to it. "
I replied:
"At the very least, he has influenced decisions in the game.
That is the significance.
It's one thing to comment about the game, it's another to comment on a clue."
By the end of the discussion, you say
" I do not believe his post supports the interpretation that the mafia did not read or comment on the flavor. "
So, at this point we have two discussion going on. One about the validity of the truck comment, and another about the question. Here you answer the "question" discussion.
"First off, "notice". I read the flavor, I noticed the flavor, I just didn't notice it in the sense that I was looking for clues and noticed that it was a clue. This is because I was not looking for clues yet. YOU attributed context that I did not share. I didn't "gloss over" anything."
Then you replied to the truck comment with:
"As for your conspiracy theory, my interpretation is correct and yours was not. As for "TOS basically said you were wrong", that would depend on what you mean. TOS indeed said that you read into his comments excessively, but (rightly) DID NOT comment on the factual question of whether your conclusion (mafia didn't notice/discuss Scalpelgate) was right regardless of your reasoning being wrong. "
Now, to answer you on the first "question" discussion, you are indeed maneuvering around the simple question I asked you. As for the second discussion, we are going to have to agree to disagree.
If I am right, and he did haphazardly comment, then none of the mafia should have noticed the scalpel or talked about it.
If I am wrong, well, either option is still possible.
However, given that scum would be MAKING themselves more suspicious by saying they did not see it as a clue, it is very possible that they honestly did not know.
So, to conclude, I believe that mafia did, in fact, not know and never commented on it, and truck slipped accidentally. I also believe that you are going out of your way to undermine this idea both within and without the context, by questioning both the meaning of the original question, and the validity of the idea.
Sure you're just arguing that trucks comment can't be used as evidence, but it is very much indirectly attacking the idea that mafia do not know.
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