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radishhead said:
noname2200 said:
radishhead said:

I don't think that he was suggesting that I wasn't "new and improved" - his main point throughout this round has been that I should have been lynched if I wasn't improved.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but after he made that ":)" post, didn't he later go on to explicitly say that he doesn't think you've improved?

Yeah. I thought that the situation was sorted after the ":)" post, but he never stopped complaining about my playstyle. He mentioned it repeatedly, and caused me to make my huge rant post - it's not that hard to find if you want reference - I think he said sorry, but then continued to state that I hadn't changed.

I'm starting to wish I had listened to Wonk's idea. If you're a townie then you continue to display a lack of paying attention to things, or reading further than the obvious. If you're scum then well-played, because it's getting on my nerves. Actually any emotion towards you is probably due more to my day, so my apologies if you take this as rude.

This is a 180 from what you said within the quote. First you say he wasn't suggesting you were improved, then you say he continued to state you weren't improved. And yes, I already pointed out his actual stance as well as his main point which you were either mistaken about or intentionally trying to twist here:

Linkzmax said:
@radish:
 You're certainly demonstrating that you haven't paid much attention to Wonk. His post dedicated to you should've already cleared up some of the confusion you seem to still have. Also how does one second a idea, when that idea is being stated for the third(at least, by votes if not more just in saying) time? No need to answer to any of this, just pointing things out.

 

radishhead said:
theprof00 said:

man, though, was anyone else surprised that wonk was the doc? I thought for sure he was the cop.

After his last post, I thought that he was Mafia for sure

If that is so, then why did you say the following AFTER Wonk's last post?

radishhead said:
I still reckon that we'd have been better off lynching ABClown, but it's good to see that the game is moving along.

There are a couple of other instances, but I'm not all that suspicious of you so it'd just be mean to keep piling on.



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trashleg said:

okay. the way i see things..

Im pretty sure its like this

Town
trashleg
Wonktonodi
TheRepublic
linkzmax
(noname)


Aliens
A Bad Clown
one of - Hephaestos, FF or theprof00
(although i'm not so sure on theprof just now)

Unknowns
stefl (because he just hasn't posted enough, id actually hate for him to be mafia)
linkzmax
noname2200

im not just basing this on who FoSed me, otherwise i'd be a bit of a prick. im almost certain that the aliens are as such, ABC you haven't responded to ANYONE today who's asked you anything?!

I'd like to ask a few questions, if that's alright :D

Final-Fan and Radishhead, at some point in day 1 you each voted for ABC. To save me traipsing through over a thousand posts, can you briefly summarise why?

A Bad Clown, who currently are you suspicious of, and why?

going to look for quotes just now.

@bolded: Why would you hate it if he were mafia? I would actually hate it more if he were a townie. Lurking townies do the town absolutley no good, and it was made clear in the sign-ups that everyone should be prepared to play.

Also, It's very strange that you list me in Town and then noname in parenthesis, but then list us both again under Unknown. Did you just slip-up, because I can't see any way that you'd have us both under Town. Even if you were the cop and scanned me that wouldn't explain noname, or vice-versa. Why don't you have radish listed under any category either?



theprof00 said:
trashleg said:
theprof00 said:

Or maybe, like in the quote of FF's that you editted, I was right? So, you like to punish good insight with accusations?

im sorry, forgive my ignorance but i dont understand what you're saying at all? can you rephrase please? 

sorry, I thought he said that he used the image because of that. I misinterpreted, "I thought she'd appreciate the humoUr" or whatever it was. 

Don't know why you people get so upset at every little thing


lol, i edited that to add the U. the word "humor" looks funny to me.

anyway, i think you'll agree we've discussed the life out of that one topic?



Highwaystar101 said: trashleg said that if I didn't pay back the money she leant me, she would come round and break my legs... That's why people call her trashleg, because she trashes the legs of the people she loan sharks money to.
theprof00 said:
Silver-Tiger said:

[Votals]

Ok, I think I figured it out.

They killed republic because he only had one vote, which as I pointed out is a cop tell. HAHAHAHA!

I'm pretty sure that's the answer.

Are you joking again? trash and radish all only voted once as well.



Linkzmax said:
trashleg said:

okay. the way i see things..

Im pretty sure its like this

Town
trashleg
Wonktonodi
TheRepublic
linkzmax
(noname)


Aliens
A Bad Clown
one of - Hephaestos, FF or theprof00
(although i'm not so sure on theprof just now)

Unknowns
stefl (because he just hasn't posted enough, id actually hate for him to be mafia)
linkzmax
noname2200

im not just basing this on who FoSed me, otherwise i'd be a bit of a prick. im almost certain that the aliens are as such, ABC you haven't responded to ANYONE today who's asked you anything?!

I'd like to ask a few questions, if that's alright :D

Final-Fan and Radishhead, at some point in day 1 you each voted for ABC. To save me traipsing through over a thousand posts, can you briefly summarise why?

A Bad Clown, who currently are you suspicious of, and why?

going to look for quotes just now.

@bolded: Why would you hate it if he were mafia? I would actually hate it more if he were a townie. Lurking townies do the town absolutley no good, and it was made clear in the sign-ups that everyone should be prepared to play.

Also, It's very strange that you list me in Town and then noname in parenthesis, but then list us both again under Unknown. Did you just slip-up, because I can't see any way that you'd have us both under Town. Even if you were the cop and scanned me that wouldn't explain noname, or vice-versa. Why don't you have radish listed under any category either?


firstly, thank you for actually noticing this!

the notes i wrote in class, i was writing from memory of the game so far.. i guess i forgot to put radish down there :/ until recently i was pretty sure that he was innocent, but im not so sure.

i would hate it if stefl was mafia and absent, because he's giving us absolutely nothing to go on - therefore, we cant judge him. which means we have no strong reason to FoS/vote him, and that annoys me.

i am unsure about you and noname, but i feel strongly that you are town. obviously my list isnt accurate, if it was that would be very strange! but i do feel that you're town, given the quality and content of your investigations on everyone. you've been very thorough and developed them well, and you haven't voted for anyone for stupid reasons. i liked that in the build up to your vote on wonk you had a proper indepth discussion with him.

im not quite as sure when it comes to noname, which is why he's in brackets. so im unsure about you both, i think you are probably town and im leaning towards that for him too, but im not feeling it so strongly for him. thats why :) sorry if it was confusing.



Highwaystar101 said: trashleg said that if I didn't pay back the money she leant me, she would come round and break my legs... That's why people call her trashleg, because she trashes the legs of the people she loan sharks money to.
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noname2200 said:
Hephaestos said:

Answer what you will.

My short answer is that you're overlooking quite a few things.  Let's dig into them.

Hephaestos said:

Now here is what I don't get. Your post seems to be putting a larger case on Radish than Wonk as he's the one doing the connection, it puts a larger case on me "incredibly odd" rather than "unusual" for wonk and also it points at trash in a way that could blame me and finally your post starts and finishes by saying that ABC is your prime suspect ("best lynch candidate")....

Recall that I've already done a pretty large summation post of all three of you (and more).  I'm assuming that people actually read and remember those things, just as I read theirs.  Since I assumed that, I didn't bother to reiterate everything in it again.  In said post, I think I've made it pretty clear there why I thought wonk was suspicious, and that I was more suspicious of him than you.  The post you're quoting is not intended to repeat those suspicions, but instead to point out what a lynch of that player may reveal about others.

Hephaestos said:

Considering the votes (and not counting the votes not registered is even more in this way), ABC would have been the best candidate for a successfull lynch train.

A) ABC needed only 2 votes above yours.

B) FF was swayed easily by your points..... even though you just resumed the situation in a way that didn't particularly point at wonk. But his previous suspicions could have let him vote either way (1 more vote needed)

C) who else would have voted ABC? Not proff, not Linkz, not wonk and definitely not I. What you had left was stefl... someone evidently lacking back.

My point is that your push on wonk was made on the sole reason that you thought it was the most likely lynch to succeed, not that he was the most lynchable to your eyes.

The italicized can only be concluded when you ignore several things.  For starters, I believe Final-Fan was only swayed because I asked him to do something he was already contemplating; he'd earlier written that he was on the "ABC is just a confused townie" train, along with prof and linkz, a point which he implicitly reiterated after the post you've quoted.  I don't think FF would have voted for ABC at that point.  You wouldn't have either.  Nor would prof, Linkz, ABC, or wonk.

11-6=5, not 6.  You've essentially shown why ABC wasn't getting lynched that day.  Given that frustrating reality, I went with my second-favorite suspect.  I make no apologies for trying to lynch someone I thought was both scum and lynchable.

Yes the part you quoted it poorly worded, I did make the point that ABC would have been stuck at L-1 as is said at the end of the quote.

Here you do confirm that you chose the train most likely to succeed and not the most deserving of a lynch.

You do however point out that you had a thourough lookout on the situation, a post from 6 days ago that I did not dig out. It does list wonk as your second suspect (second on the list), and thus just puts you in a position of going for an imediate kill rather than have the kill you though was best but wait on the timer. I'd downgrade you to HoS, the vote being there to put presure and forcing you to react, but i'll first read the 100 replies I see waiting in the thread (2 pages at 50 ^^).



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noname2200 said:
Hephaestos said:


to further my hypothesis,  noname pushed the train on to ABC, FF, Trash and proff, the first 3 being easy sways...

Leaving aside the lazy ex-post facto thinking this post uses, what makes you think trashleg would have gone along with it, let alone easily?  I certainly have no way of knowing; how do you?

because she was exterior to the wonk inquisition... and thus not incriminated by complying to a request on a train lynch, just doing a townie's job to get the day moving, same for ABC and FF... What I mean is that this vote doesn't say much about them, hence why they could vote easily.

I believe I explained that in the longpost... but it was long I do conceed. (and i'm often confusing when I explain stuff).



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Linkzmax said:
theprof00 said:
Silver-Tiger said:

[Votals]

Ok, I think I figured it out.

They killed republic because he only had one vote, which as I pointed out is a cop tell. HAHAHAHA!

I'm pretty sure that's the answer.

Are you joking again? trash and radish all only voted once as well.

well, that was until I realized (thanks to ABC actually) that mafia probably hadn't noticed the clue in the flavor.

When I wrote that post, I was serious. I don't see how 2 exceptions discredits the idea, since they could've just gone with a random decision (or they are both mafia, big guy).

But, please, continue reading the thread.



radishhead said:
trashleg said:

Radishhead, at day 1 you voted for ABC. To save me traipsing through over a thousand posts, can you briefly summarise why?

The early stages of day 1 feels a long time ago now, but I remember that is was mainly due to the way that he was forming an argument against me at the same sort of time as Wonk was, and his suspicions were basically identical. Considering that Wonk's issues were based around past games, and I hadn't had any past games with ABClown, this struck me as very suspicious. Also, seemingly unlike everyone else this round, I hate his "robot mode" with a passion. At best, he's taking away a great deal of what makes a Mafia game fun (analysing emotions in people's text, and trying to see how this could make them the enemy) and at worst hiding his Mafia intentions in a desperate attempt to avoid a day 1 lynch.

Ahh, I should've included this in my last post directed at you.

1) Wonk didn't really have any suspicions of you, at least not that I recall. The argument was that you're weak, not that you're scummy.

2) ABC wasn't making the same arguement at all. He stated that he thought the discussion between you and Wonk was artificial, thus you were both scummy. He was then asking you WHY would Wonk single you out? Later he dropped it, with the rational that you were both probably town, as he's done with just about everyone he's claimed to be suspicious of.

And I know you brought up the emotion thing earlier, but we're not face-to-face or even audible to each other, so I don't think it'd be too hard to mask emotions no matter how one responds to posts. I do agree with the style probably being easier to hide slip-ups behind, but it hasn't stopped things that are illogical from being said. I would rather lose the edge in scumhunting there than have constant misunderstandings that can lead to severe distractions.



noname2200 said:

One thing of notice though is that Noname still refered to ABC as his best lynch target at the end of the day...when this discution would have pointed at him being cleared in his mind and in proff's for day one at least.

Noname has been active, but mostly distant from the action (besides the lazy and the train events), I believe there is much more to learn from him today than from proff (and I incidently also believe that the train is more on his hands than on proff's).

The italicized is completely incorrect, and the only way you can conclude that is if you ignore the follow-up posts I made in which I challenged ABC's possible soft-claim.  Really heph, I'm surprised at you for concluding that the one person who's vocally up for clarifying what that statement meant has therefore cleared that person!

I'm also completely baffled as to how I've been "mostly distant from the action" when I've been one of the most active players.  Explain.

I was replying to linkz and used the linked posts... I don't see where the challenge to his townieness was when it concluded with proff saying "GOOD role" as in townie. You're talking of challenge of the roleclaim though which is not in relation to my conclusion, I'm talking about townieness and not power role.

By distant from the action I mean that many of your posts have been late sumaries and conclusions of the events. Yes you have been active, I do not deny this, but you also have not been the pushing force behind any of the investigations of yesterday. If you reread my sentence, in no way does it say that you were not active, the point that I make is that talking to you today will be more informative than talking to proff.



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