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theprof00 said:

There could be several reason for the night kill:

A) mafia believed I would be lynched today, saving them a night kill and getting a townie who was suspicious of Heph (assuming Heph and Linkz are mafia). Same can be said of Heph, as in, they thought both I and Heph could be eventually lynched.

A) That's very accurate. You became lynchable with that hammer and both FF and I commented on your vote during twilight. I'd add that ABC was a free of a kill due to a similar lynchable position today.

B) They went with someone who's death wouldn't specifically implicate a mafia.

B) Rep did have his usual town tells though... so either they know them and picked him for that or they tried to have a rather neutral character take the blame. Neutral characters were Stefl, Radish, and Rep (FF and Nord gave away their neutrality at the end of the day, Trash is affected by my flip due to day one suspicions)... the most neutrals were stefl and radish though... but also  the most absent this round.

C) They didn't go with any of us (heph, linkz, myself) because they thought everyone might bandwagon onto one of our suspects. Doesn't make much sense with Heph, though. Both linkz and my suspicions were pretty high for Heph. Eliminating Linkz or myself might have guaranteed a lynch for Heph. Additionally, killing Heph might have made both of us look bad. Assuming that linkz is mafia, that could've turned out badly.

C) That's a risky theory for them... not killing someone who can induce a lynch train is a risk... it does point out of one of us 3 being  mafia (though I believe you and Links fit more that criteria...). A kill of Linkz would not have guaranteed my lynch and... well I guess your kill was not an strategically sound since the hammer made you lynchable.

To make a summary
1) Kill prof: lose a free lynch for a suspicious character; put more focus onto Heph; lose a defender of ABC

2) Kill linkz: Put more focus on Heph (and possibly prof)

3) Kill Heph: possibly lose a free lynch; lose a prof attacker; give a free pass to Trash

4) Kill ABC : possibly lose a free lynch; solidify prof; make a couple players look bad

5) Kill Trash: Points at Heph buddying; solidify prof

Guys feel free to add to some of that. I'm not entirely sure who was defending or attacking whom, so some help would be appreciated.

OTOH:

the kill may not have been driven by one of these. It could have been to implicate someone else who was feeling pressured by him (though I did not appear to notice any of that), or because they thought he might've been a power-role.





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I'm still focusing my efforts on ABClown - we did a lot of analysis on him last game; why not finish the job and see if we can find something concrete against/for him? I'll give it a shot tomorrow.



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Hephaestos said:
theprof00 said:

To make a summary
1) Kill prof: lose a free lynch for a suspicious character; put more focus onto Heph; lose a defender of ABC

2) Kill linkz: Put more focus on Heph (and possibly prof)

3) Kill Heph: possibly lose a free lynch; lose a prof attacker; give a free pass to Trash

4) Kill ABC : possibly lose a free lynch; solidify prof; make a couple players look bad

5) Kill Trash: Points at Heph buddying; solidify prof



Can you please explain what this means? free pass?



Highwaystar101 said: trashleg said that if I didn't pay back the money she leant me, she would come round and break my legs... That's why people call her trashleg, because she trashes the legs of the people she loan sharks money to.
theprof00 said:
Hephaestos said:
theprof00 said:

Remember, yesterday he was not a confirmed townie, today he is. TODAY, you and linkz both talk like he was confirmed yesterday. YESTERDAY, Heph was talking like he was already confirmed. Think about that a little bit. 


i'm sorry, what?

Hephaestos said:

ps: I really don't like the way that lynch train went.... and especially proff's back and forth at the very end.

again, like I've mentioned today several times, what if he had turned out town?

This post seems to almost know that he would not.

Hephaestos said:

in any case, I'll say goodnight too... as since wonk is mafia, his opposition to me basically means i'm not a good target for tomorow and thus a liability to nightkillers.

And yet you are so confident that he is mafia, enough to almost outright ask for doc protection.

 

But, are you so confident? So confident, yet you don't like how the lynch train went?

yeah comming back to a 4 vote lynch train on Wonk kind of gave me the feel that he was killed off by impatient mafia to be honest. That, as you very well know, could also have been used by the mafia to lynch one of their own and cover themselves.

If that seemed as asking for a doc protection then i'm sorry, it wasn't my intent, i believe the doc is best served protecting himself night one ^^ and definitely not a suspect. I still believe his change of play and especially setting up rad for a default lynch made him look overly scummy.

to your back and forth, i don't blame you for the outcome, but for the theatrics of it.



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Hephaestos said:

yeah comming back to a 4 vote lynch train on Wonk kind of gave me the feel that he was killed off by impatient mafia to be honest. That, as you very well know, could also have been used by the mafia to lynch one of their own and cover themselves.

If that seemed as asking for a doc protection then i'm sorry, it wasn't my intent, i believe the doc is best served protecting himself night one ^^ and definitely not a suspect. I still believe his change of play and especially setting up rad for a default lynch made him look overly scummy.

to your back and forth, i don't blame you for the outcome, but for the theatrics of it.

i dont think it looked overly scummy, he justified his reasons for wanting to lynch radish then even changed his vote.. to you, surprisingly. the only reason he was lynched ultimately is because people got impatient.



Highwaystar101 said: trashleg said that if I didn't pay back the money she leant me, she would come round and break my legs... That's why people call her trashleg, because she trashes the legs of the people she loan sharks money to.
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trashleg said:
Hephaestos said:
theprof00 said:

To make a summary
1) Kill prof: lose a free lynch for a suspicious character; put more focus onto Heph; lose a defender of ABC

2) Kill linkz: Put more focus on Heph (and possibly prof)

3) Kill Heph: possibly lose a free lynch; lose a prof attacker; give a free pass to Trash

4) Kill ABC : possibly lose a free lynch; solidify prof; make a couple players look bad

5) Kill Trash: Points at Heph buddying; solidify prof



Can you please explain what this means? free pass?

All these killing points assume the dead person to be town.

Yesterday I was accused of buddying to you and you distanced yourself from me so :

_ If i'm revealed as town, it makes you distancing yourself from a townie... illogical for a mafia, thus pointing at you as a townie yourself.

_ if you're revealed as a townie, it paints me in a bad light as I was accused of buddying. It also makes proff a more townie figure as he did his interogation of you yet he did not press charges. This second part is to a lesser degree though but still present.



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radishhead said:

I'm still focusing my efforts on ABClown - we did a lot of analysis on him last game; why not finish the job and see if we can find something concrete against/for him? I'll give it a shot tomorrow.


this. i still want ABC lynched for his day 1 activity. just because its a new day doesn't mean we should forget about it.

(and he voted for wonk, which i'll be checking out tomorrow)



Highwaystar101 said: trashleg said that if I didn't pay back the money she leant me, she would come round and break my legs... That's why people call her trashleg, because she trashes the legs of the people she loan sharks money to.

Also, killing you or FF would have made me look bad as well. As in, I would kill someone that  would be a future threat...



trashleg said:
Hephaestos said:

yeah comming back to a 4 vote lynch train on Wonk kind of gave me the feel that he was killed off by impatient mafia to be honest. That, as you very well know, could also have been used by the mafia to lynch one of their own and cover themselves.

If that seemed as asking for a doc protection then i'm sorry, it wasn't my intent, i believe the doc is best served protecting himself night one ^^ and definitely not a suspect. I still believe his change of play and especially setting up rad for a default lynch made him look overly scummy.

to your back and forth, i don't blame you for the outcome, but for the theatrics of it.

i dont think it looked overly scummy, he justified his reasons for wanting to lynch radish then even changed his vote.. to you, surprisingly. the only reason he was lynched ultimately is because people got impatient.

well to my eyes his reasons were not well founded (he called this dismissing them... which was his main reason to vote me), and did a vote that could have been considered a revenge vote on me as I was the first to vote him... From my perspective he was very scummy, I do conceed that it may not have been from everyone's point of view, but it was from mine.



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theprof00 said:

Also, killing you or FF would have made me look bad as well. As in, I would kill someone that  would be a future threat...


who is you here...



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