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Final-Fan on 21 February 2011
theprof00 said:
Final-Fan said:
FoS prof. 
He refuses to go along with the plan, then suddenly about-faces to hammer wonk.  Why?  I suspect it's because he finished reading the posts and realized he could hammer Wonk (who was a power role), and went with the excuse that he hadn't read all the posts yet. 

But why would he suddenly do a 180 like that unless he read more of the thread and changed his mind?  If he did, why wouldn't he read ALL of it?  And finally, he "realized his mistake" a mere minute later.  That's awfully fast catching up.

1.  says the guy who was going along with the plan.

1.  Seriously man, if you're going to try and look for someone to blame, look no further than the hands in front of you, or look at wonk. That was not how you play a power role.

2.  I was tired and annoyed, I wanted the day to end, simple as that. Then, upon reading the scant few posts and sentences "AWFULLY FAST", I thought it was a fake claim anyway.

3.  But whatever, keep your FoS on me, it's not like this doesn't happen every single game with you FoSing me.

ALSO

2.  I was at the point when I felt the day just needed to end.
I didn't like noname's plan because I lean scum with him.
I said "I'm not going along with your plan"

45 MINUTES LATER

2.  not one post in response, so I reread it again and gave up. He was absolutely right about "move the game along".

4.  So, yes, while it may have appeared to be rash. I think we all wanted an end to the day. I didn't completely trust Wonk, and it does help me look at his interactions differently. Flips help the town. Even if they're townies.

5.  It also doesn't escape me that you were on the lynch and looking at me as well. What a shock.

Now, it seems to me that therepublic was a pretty random choice for a nightkill. It looks to me that they chose someone who was "far away from the action". I would guess that they did this so as to not indict anyone being suspected by any of us. Linkz, you yourself should have been one of the people to die ( if you really are town ). The amount of contribution you made is beyond helpful. Your continued existence is a problem for your innocence as well, fyi.

Your defense is a joke. 

1.  Yeah, my vote was on Wonk.  OTOH, it wouldn't have been had I been able to get back before your terrible hammer.  Also, so what? 

2.  So you were SO tired of the day dragging on without people posting that you couldn't even be bothered to catch up on your unread posts?  That's almost self-contradictory, and certainly horrible play.  I don't reckon you to be that horrible a player. 

3.  Is this supposed to be a defense, or just bitter commentary? 

4.  ... Even if they're POWER ROLES?  And just to be clear, are you now implying that you DID see his claim before the hammer?  Because that seems to be in contradiction to your earlier post. 

5.  WHAT?  I don't remember suspecting you particularly much yesterday.  I'm certain that in most if not all of my posts (and thoughts), ABC, Wonk, and Heph ranked above you.  If you're talking about the fact that I'm suspicious of you due to your vote, despite that I also had my vote on Wonk, then that is total bullshit as noted above and you should know better than to even try such a pathetic argument. 

Vote theprof00

The vote itself was merely suspicious, but this defense of his REEKS to me. 



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Final-Fan on 21 February 2011
theprof00 said:
1) You're right, I didn't read it. I admitted to that. I still didn't believe him after that anyway, so. It's time to move on.

OK, you may please disregard the second question in my Point 4 above. 

But this also leaves some questions unanswered. 

nvrmind, I hadn't seen this post. I would've voted right after seeing this. sry guys.

I thought that "would've" was a mistake, and you meant you would not have voted.  If you still didn't believe him, why did you apologize?  Would you not have voted, even though you disbelieved his roleclaim? 

ah shit, wonk only voted for one person..that's a cop tell.

Speaking of which, if you disbelieved his roleclaim, why did you make a comment to us implying that you DID believe his roleclaim?  What POSSIBLE motivation could you have had to say "shit, that's a cop tell, but I think he's lying about having a power role"?

I think you're lying.  Somewhere, somehow, for some reason, you are lying and I want to lynch you. 



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theprof00 on 21 February 2011
Final-Fan said:
theprof00 said:
1) You're right, I didn't read it. I admitted to that. I still didn't believe him after that anyway, so. It's time to move on.

OK, you may please disregard the second question in my Point 4 above. 

But this also leaves some questions unanswered. 

nvrmind, I hadn't seen this post. I would've voted right after seeing this. sry guys.

I thought that "would've" was a mistake, and you meant you would not have voted.  If you still didn't believe him, why did you apologize?  Would you not have voted, even though you disbelieved his roleclaim? 

ah shit, wonk only voted for one person..that's a cop tell.

Speaking of which, if you disbelieved his roleclaim, why did you make a comment to us implying that you DID believe his roleclaim?  What POSSIBLE motivation could you have had to say "shit, that's a cop tell, but I think he's lying about having a power role"?

I think you're lying.  Somewhere, somehow, for some reason, you are lying and I want to lynch you. 

my defense is a joke. You don't even know what my posts say and you jump to conclusions.

I would've voted after seeing this. = I would've voted after seeing this

srry guys= sorry for delaying the game when I could've read this post and voted 45 minutes ago.

ah shit= after looking over the posts thinking it was impulsive, I noticed that he only voted once. The question is whether I would've noticed this if I hadn't voted him. Just because I pointed this out doesn't mean I would've noticed it anyway.



theprof00 on 21 February 2011

You know what works better than jumping to conclusions FF? Asking people questions.

Instead of answering questions that you have with what I did, I have to answer to a framework that you've created. You don't know what I said, and you're misinterpreting it into something else.

Despite the fact that I said to linkz yesterday, "a power role is worth outing one mafia", you think I would sac myself as a mafia to get a power role? That's a trade for the town. One mafia extends the game a full day and night, and with another power role out there, it's a very bad trade for mafia in a game where there is most likely only 3 mafia.

You're not thinking clearly.

You see evidence and you understand how it points to things, but you aren't looking at the big picture. You aren't asking why. Neither you, nor linkz are doing that, instead pointing the finger at me for hammering wonk when someone else might've done it anyway, and you casually say, "OH I WAS ABOUT TO TAKE MY VOTE OFF".

I'm rolling my eyes harder than a 16 year old valley girl.



Final-Fan on 21 February 2011
theprof00 said:

You know what works better than jumping to conclusions FF? Asking people questions.

Can't I do both? 

instead pointing the finger at me for hammering wonk when someone else might've done it anyway, and you casually say, "OH I WAS ABOUT TO TAKE MY VOTE OFF".

I'm rolling my eyes harder than a 16 year old valley girl.

Are ... are you saying you don't believe me? 



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Final-Fan on 21 February 2011
theprof00 said:
Final-Fan said:
theprof00 said:
1) You're right, I didn't read it. I admitted to that. I still didn't believe him after that anyway, so. It's time to move on.
OK, you may please disregard the second question in my Point 4 above.
But this also leaves some questions unanswered.
nvrmind, I hadn't seen this post. I would've voted right after seeing this. sry guys.
I thought that "would've" was a mistake, and you meant you would not have voted.  If you still didn't believe him, why did you apologize?  Would you not have voted, even though you disbelieved his roleclaim?
ah shit, wonk only voted for one person..that's a cop tell.
Speaking of which, if you disbelieved his roleclaim, why did you make a comment to us implying that you DID believe his roleclaim?  What POSSIBLE motivation could you have had to say "shit, that's a cop tell, but I think he's lying about having a power role"?

I think you're lying.  Somewhere, somehow, for some reason, you are lying and I want to lynch you.
my defense is a joke. You don't even know what my posts say and you jump to conclusions.

I would've voted after seeing this. = I would've voted after seeing this
srry guys= sorry for delaying the game when I could've read this post and voted 45 minutes ago.
ah shit= after looking over the posts thinking it was impulsive, I noticed that he only voted once. The question is whether I would've noticed this if I hadn't voted him. Just because I pointed this out doesn't mean I would've noticed it anyway.

The "your defense is a joke" allegation is, as you may notice, in the post ABOVE the quoted one, which contains SEPARATE points which you have not responded to. 

And the "ah, shit" clarification still makes no sense to me.  Do you mean that you said it's a cop tell in the sense that you thought he was FAKING a cop tell? 



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Final-Fan on 21 February 2011
theprof00 said:
pointing the finger at me for hammering wonk when someone else might've done it anyway

Wait, what?  What kind of lame-ass excuse is that?  And yeah, I do blame you for shutting down conversation right when someone has made a GODDAMNED ROLECLAIM. 



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Final-Fan on 21 February 2011
theprof00 said:
nvrmind, I hadn't seen this post. I would've voted right after seeing this. sry guys.

I should point out that I totally concede this one.  Not only do I admit this is interpretable the way he says he meant it, but in retrospect it's clearly that meaning. 



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Hephaestos on 21 February 2011
Linkzmax said:

Just a note: ABC, prof, and Heph all said they'd be likely to die night one, but they all lived. Yay, or is it? No I don't really think that means anything.


well if wonk was mafia, i'd be 75% confirmed townie....so i'd have been dead. There's i'm just pissed at not having even seen a doc claim, and if I recall, he even was against the possibility of there being a doc to make a no lynch work.... so I probably wouldn't even had believed the claim to be honest...

Then again i'm still not liking how that train went.



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Hephaestos on 21 February 2011
Linkzmax said:

As for the change to an FoS. As I said with Wonk, I don't have three hands and you and Heph are at the top of my scumspect list at the moment. Real reason being I did reread Heph and trash's posts without your interaction, and while I'm still highly suspicious of Heph, I don't put her as close. I think if he were to flip scum then she'd go back, but I wouldn't be willing to lynch her first as an indicator to his alignment.


My feeling on trash and proff is that if proff flips scum, then trash probably is too. When you point at trash and I, all the people from the recent games are going to look more closely at I, trash being a player from older games, she has less reads to the current players than me. So with reference to this, pointing an interaction between  trash and I is a good cover for trash, especially if done by a third person, as when I flip town, she'll apprear towny. Now trash currently leans town with me since she continuously and I believe pretty strongly tried to distance herslef from me, diminishing this effect... but if prof does flip scum and when you see me as town (cause ultimately you will), this really is an option to consider (and would fit with proff's mafia logic).

it's highly hypothetical but I just wanted to put it down for further reference.



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