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dsister on 10 February 2011
Dasau said:

It might seem legal to hack your own system, but what the point of doing it? Just to play pirates games.  If we ain't doing anything wrong, then why do we afraid of Sony collecting our data.  I don't see any other reason that people want to hack their system.  Please don't tell me it for LINUX! Please go play on your computer instead. 

Anyway, if we keep complain and stuff these company can't afford to make more system for us in the future.  So we need to support them.


I'll hack my system for Linux when Sony releases any excluses I want.



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naruball on 10 February 2011
Mr.Metralha said:

The day someone is going in jail for watching videos on the internet is the day humanity has gone nuts.


What about child pornography?

OT: I think there is a difference between watching a video and commenting. When someone says something like: ''hey I got a question I tried this, but it doesn't seem to work with all games. I downloaded GT5 and it works fine, but Castlevania freezes after level 2. Is there gonna be a patch for that?" It means that they are either lying, which is totally stupid or they've actually pirated games. If they've done nothing wrong, they got nothing to worry about.



ND3G on 10 February 2011

I think Sony is desperate so they are trying to scare people that don't know any better into thinking that hacking your PS3 is somehow a crime.  It will void your warrently but that is about it.  By all means people, watch videos, download guides, hack the hell out of your PS3 if that sort of thing interests you.

If Sony doesn't want people messing around with their product they are perfectly welcome to pull it off the shelves.

 



Spankey on 11 February 2011
ND3G said:

I think Sony is desperate so they are trying to scare people that don't know any better into thinking that hacking your PS3 is somehow a crime.  It will void your warrently but that is about it.  By all means people, watch videos, download guides, hack the hell out of your PS3 if that sort of thing interests you.

If Sony doesn't want people messing around with their product they are perfectly welcome to pull it off the shelves.

 


hacking the hardware itself might not be illegal (i.e. turning into a Foreman grill won't get you arrested), but the sticky issue that Sony and GeoHot trying to find out is if the hacking and reverse engineering the software on the PS3 was done for legitimate reasons (as is allowed by law) or illegitimate reasons (which is outlawed). Hardware and software are subject to different levels of copyright protection and reverse engineering laws.

http://www.yalelawjournal.org/images/pdfs/200.pdf



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r505Matt on 11 February 2011
Icyedge said:

Nobody noticed that the source doesnt look reliable at all? They dont even state how they had access to this information. It doesnt make sense anyway, not only it is wrong to do this, but Sony have nothing to gain from this information. Most people watching or commenting on the video will probably not hack their PS3, hence a lost of time for Sony to collect their infos.

Here, have a more reliable source but it comes with more law lingo.

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20110208232934828

But people are getting this situation all wrong. Sony was NOT denied the IP addresses. Sony was denied the motion to get the hearing for the subpoenas earlier than originally planned.

Sony Computer Entertainment America's motion [PDF] asking the judge in the SCEA v. Hotz case to set an earlier date to hear oral argument on its motion to do expedited discovery has been denied.

But as I'll explain, I think it may indicate that George Hotz's motion to dismiss for lack of jurisdiction/improper venue will likely be denied as well and that they'll continue this case in California.

"Expedited discovery" in this context means the avalanche of subpoenas SCEA is asking permission to serve on various entities to try to find the Fail0verflow guys, who SCEA hopes to tie to Hotz. The purpose of all that is to demonstrate that the case should stay in California. The hearing had been set for March 11, and they'd asked if it could be speeded up to February 9, and the judge just said no. So, March 11 it is.

The only thing denied was a change in date. The hearing for the subpoenas will proceed as planned on March 11th.



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whatever on 11 February 2011
fps_d0minat0r said:
Acevil said:
fps_d0minat0r said:

so the judge is protecting hackers and in effect stopping sony from annoying them in their work.

lets say this was to do with drugs, would the judge stop the police from searching for them? NO, so why when it comes to cyber criminals they are given a wall of protection?

the judge should be sued.....if you can do that?


Two problems with your statement. 1. You are comparing people who were commenting in a videos to drug DEALERS not drug users. 

2. Judges do stop police from searching individuals, if the judge finds the claim to have no reasonable ground, and JUDGE WOULD NEVER SIGN OFF ON DRUG USERS (On that basis alone).


2 problems with your reply

1) your assuming sony will ban everyone whos details they obtain

2) it was just an example of another crime situation, when police look for drug dealers they come across innocent people too, they dont lock them up do they?

funny how everyone thinks sony will gather 'personal' data and name and shame them on playstation blog or sell it to 3rd party companies. they should have done it undercover like google, screwed up the hackers and then someone would have found out 3 years later when the ps3 would be safe from harm and no-one would be complaining.

A judge is supposed to give out people's personal information because a company asked for it, even if no crime has been committed?  WTF is wrong with you? 



Icyedge on 11 February 2011
r505Matt said:
Icyedge said:

Nobody noticed that the source doesnt look reliable at all? They dont even state how they had access to this information. It doesnt make sense anyway, not only it is wrong to do this, but Sony have nothing to gain from this information. Most people watching or commenting on the video will probably not hack their PS3, hence a lost of time for Sony to collect their infos.

Here, have a more reliable source but it comes with more law lingo.

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20110208232934828

But people are getting this situation all wrong. Sony was NOT denied the IP addresses. Sony was denied the motion to get the hearing for the subpoenas earlier than originally planned.

Sony Computer Entertainment America's motion [PDF] asking the judge in the SCEA v. Hotz case to set an earlier date to hear oral argument on its motion to do expedited discovery has been denied.

But as I'll explain, I think it may indicate that George Hotz's motion to dismiss for lack of jurisdiction/improper venue will likely be denied as well and that they'll continue this case in California.

"Expedited discovery" in this context means the avalanche of subpoenas SCEA is asking permission to serve on various entities to try to find the Fail0verflow guys, who SCEA hopes to tie to Hotz. The purpose of all that is to demonstrate that the case should stay in California. The hearing had been set for March 11, and they'd asked if it could be speeded up to February 9, and the judge just said no. So, March 11 it is.

The only thing denied was a change in date. The hearing for the subpoenas will proceed as planned on March 11th.


Thanks for the precision, makes more sense.



qmoney88 on 11 February 2011
r505Matt said:
Icyedge said:

Nobody noticed that the source doesnt look reliable at all? They dont even state how they had access to this information. It doesnt make sense anyway, not only it is wrong to do this, but Sony have nothing to gain from this information. Most people watching or commenting on the video will probably not hack their PS3, hence a lost of time for Sony to collect their infos.

Here, have a more reliable source but it comes with more law lingo.

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20110208232934828

But people are getting this situation all wrong. Sony was NOT denied the IP addresses. Sony was denied the motion to get the hearing for the subpoenas earlier than originally planned.

Sony Computer Entertainment America's motion [PDF] asking the judge in the SCEA v. Hotz case to set an earlier date to hear oral argument on its motion to do expedited discovery has been denied.

But as I'll explain, I think it may indicate that George Hotz's motion to dismiss for lack of jurisdiction/improper venue will likely be denied as well and that they'll continue this case in California.

"Expedited discovery" in this context means the avalanche of subpoenas SCEA is asking permission to serve on various entities to try to find the Fail0verflow guys, who SCEA hopes to tie to Hotz. The purpose of all that is to demonstrate that the case should stay in California. The hearing had been set for March 11, and they'd asked if it could be speeded up to February 9, and the judge just said no. So, March 11 it is.

The only thing denied was a change in date. The hearing for the subpoenas will proceed as planned on March 11th.

Thats hilarious, all of these sites reporting sony wasnt able to obtain those ip addresses through paypal and they were all wrong, love how journalism works these days.  Ridiculous.



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