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bluthunder on 09 February 2011
NotStan said:

I don't know whether there are any shipment differences but the support of Xbox Live is not all around the globe, some countries, in Asia in particular do not have XBL support.

 

Full List:

Australia: International English
Austria: German
Belgium: Dutch, French
Brazil: Brazilian Portuguese
Canada: English, French
Chile: Spanish
Colombia: Spanish
Czech Republic: Czech
Denmark: Danish
Finland: Finnish
France: French
Germany: German
Greece: Greek
Hong Kong: Traditional Chinese, English
Hungary: Hungarian
India: English
Ireland: International English
Italy: Italian
Japan: Japanese
Korea: Korean
Mexico: Spanish
Netherlands: Dutch
New Zealand: International English
Norway: Norwegian
Poland: Polish
Portugal: Portuguese
Russian Federation: Russian
Singapore: International English
South Africa: International English
Spain: Spanish
Sweden: Swedish
Switzerland: German, French
Taiwan: Traditional Chinese
United Kingdom: International English
United States: English

Seems a bit limited taking into the account the amount of countries WW.

List for PSN:


Argentina
Australia *
Austria *
Bahrain
Belgium *
Brazil
Bulgaria
Canada *
Chile
Colombia
Croatia
Cyprus
Czech Republic *
Denmark *
Finland *
France *
Germany *
Greece *
Hong Kong *
Hungary
Iceland
India
Ireland *
Israel
Italy *
Japan *
Korea *
Kuwait
Lebanon
Luxembourg *
Malaysia
Malta
Mexico
Netherlands *
New Zealand *
Norway *
Oman
Peru
Poland *
Portugal *
Qatar
Romania
Russia *
Saudi Arabia *
Singapore *
Slovakia
Slovenia
South Africa *
Spain *
Sweden *
Switzerland *
Taiwan *
Turkey
UAE *
United Kingdom *
United States *

Marginally higher, if the lists are any indications, the PS3 has more regions to ship for, what logic I am going by? If you are officially shipping to the country, why wouldn't you support it online?

The PS3 list is a bit out of date;

Costa Rica
El Salvador
Equador
Guatemala
Honduras
Indonesia
Nicaragua
Panama
Philippines
Serbia
Thailand
Venezuela
Vietnam



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Seece on 09 February 2011
Booh! said:
Seece said:
Booh! said:
Seece said:

It's an interesting notion

If PS3 passes PS3 WW, but 360 sells more than PS3 in all the countries they're BOTH sold in, which is the more "popular" console


Actually the ps3 is selling more than the 360 in more countries, where both are available. The preferred meme of xbox fans is "we got 2 of the 3 bigger markets".

However this "Sony-is-stuffing-the-channel-because-it-delivers-ps3s-in-a-lot-of-countries" is quite delusional. It takes less time to ship a ps3 from Italy or Austria to Croatia (and this requires to cross a third country) than from East Coast to West Coast in the US: so the equation "more countries == longer shipping channels == more units in the channel" is wrong. Plain and simple.

Eh, another blantant alt. You have Zero proof, and given that they shipped exactly the same amount last Q, and 360 is still ahead of PS3, then no, PS3 is not selling the same amount in all the countrys 360 ships too combined. Nice, very easy to debunk your post

Given the stats above, I'll make it easier for you to understand

Q4 - Xbox 360 - 6.3 mill in 35 - 40 odd countries.
Q4 - PS3 - 6.3 in 55 - 60 odd countires

I was saying: the ps3 beats the 360 in more countries (where both are available). That is: the number of countries where the ps3 is selling better is bigger than the number of countries where the xbox is selling better. The concept of more "popular" is very relative.

Yeah but your comparison doesn't matter either.

If PS3 outsells 360 2:1 in Italy, Germany, France, Sweeden, Spain, ect ect  how is it any different to 360 outselling PS3 2:1 in the US?

You're just assuming selling better in 8 countries is better than 1, but when it comes out at the same end figure, I don't see why lol, it doesn't show diversity either, Italy is as much like Spain, as Washington is to texas ......

Fact of matter is, in all of the countries combined, where PS3 and 360 ship, 360 is ahead, and selling more. Thus, more popular console, if we have to judge somehow. But yeah each console has their strong suits obviously, I'm talking overall.



 

Reasonable on 09 February 2011
Seece said:

It's an interesting notion

If PS3 passes PS3 WW, but 360 sells more than PS3 in all the countries they're BOTH sold in, which is the more "popular" console


Ah but that presuposes a consistent position - which we already know isn't the case.

The answer is already evident - it varies by country where they are both sold.  There are some countries were 360 is for sure more popular - US and UK say - and some where PS3 is for sure more popular Germany, Iberie, etc.  And of course Japan.

Handily for PR folk this variety allows for each to claim victory based on different criteria.

EDIT : I see from later posts you're adding markets together, but the issue with that is that different markets are different sizes.  Strictly speaking you can't say something that is more popular in a larger market but less popular in a lot of smaller diverse markets is more popular.  You're trying to stich together different geographies, etc. as though they are the same.  That's falling into the trap of this is popular in the single biggest market therefore it's the most popular.  Common US viewpoint (I keed!) but not accurate across diverse geographies.

My view is from the numbers it's pretty clear that 360 tends to be more popular in English speaking territories and PS3 tends to be more popular in non-English speaking territories.  No idea why given that despite all the fanboy posturing when it comes to games they are 90% identical.



Try to be reasonable... its easier than you think...

Seece on 09 February 2011
Reasonable said:
Seece said:

It's an interesting notion

If PS3 passes PS3 WW, but 360 sells more than PS3 in all the countries they're BOTH sold in, which is the more "popular" console


Ah but that presuposes a consistent position - which we already know isn't the case.

The answer is already evident - it varies by country where they are both sold.  There are some countries were 360 is for sure more popular - US and UK say - and some where PS3 is for sure more popular Germany, Iberie, etc.  And of course Japan.

Handily for PR folk this variety allows for each to claim victory based on different criteria.

EDIT : I see from later posts you're adding markets together, but the issue with that is that different markets are different sizes.  Strictly speaking you can't say something that is more popular in a larger market but less popular in a lot of smaller diverse markets is more popular.  You're trying to stich together different geographies, etc. as though they are the same.  That's falling into the trap of this is popular in the single biggest market therefore it's the most popular.  Common US viewpoint (I keed!) but not accurate across diverse geographies.

My view is from the numbers it's pretty clear that 360 tends to be more popular in English speaking territories and PS3 tends to be more popular in non-English speaking territories.  No idea why given that despite all the fanboy posturing when it comes to games they are 90% identical.

I already said they have their strengths in different countries, I'm talking about if you had to define which console was most popular WW, 360 would win.



 

mantlepiecek on 09 February 2011
Seece said:
Reasonable said:
Seece said:

It's an interesting notion

If PS3 passes PS3 WW, but 360 sells more than PS3 in all the countries they're BOTH sold in, which is the more "popular" console


Ah but that presuposes a consistent position - which we already know isn't the case.

The answer is already evident - it varies by country where they are both sold.  There are some countries were 360 is for sure more popular - US and UK say - and some where PS3 is for sure more popular Germany, Iberie, etc.  And of course Japan.

Handily for PR folk this variety allows for each to claim victory based on different criteria.

EDIT : I see from later posts you're adding markets together, but the issue with that is that different markets are different sizes.  Strictly speaking you can't say something that is more popular in a larger market but less popular in a lot of smaller diverse markets is more popular.  You're trying to stich together different geographies, etc. as though they are the same.  That's falling into the trap of this is popular in the single biggest market therefore it's the most popular.  Common US viewpoint (I keed!) but not accurate across diverse geographies.

My view is from the numbers it's pretty clear that 360 tends to be more popular in English speaking territories and PS3 tends to be more popular in non-English speaking territories.  No idea why given that despite all the fanboy posturing when it comes to games they are 90% identical.

I already said they have their strengths in different countries, I'm talking about if you had to define which console was most popular WW, 360 would win.

Not all countries are as rich as the US. US has a huge population as well as more money to spend on entertainment compared to other countries.

The word of mouth for the 360 will spread only in the US and hence, such a huge difference between 360 and PS3.



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Onibaka on 09 February 2011

I think that popularity is different than sales.

When PS3 launched a lot of people couldn't bought the console because of the price, but that doesn't mean that it's less popular.

Ferrari is very popular, but is outsold by a lot of less popular cars...



landguy1 on 09 February 2011
mantlepiecek said:
Seece said:
Reasonable said:
Seece said:

It's an interesting notion

If PS3 passes PS3 WW, but 360 sells more than PS3 in all the countries they're BOTH sold in, which is the more "popular" console


Ah but that presuposes a consistent position - which we already know isn't the case.

The answer is already evident - it varies by country where they are both sold.  There are some countries were 360 is for sure more popular - US and UK say - and some where PS3 is for sure more popular Germany, Iberie, etc.  And of course Japan.

Handily for PR folk this variety allows for each to claim victory based on different criteria.

EDIT : I see from later posts you're adding markets together, but the issue with that is that different markets are different sizes.  Strictly speaking you can't say something that is more popular in a larger market but less popular in a lot of smaller diverse markets is more popular.  You're trying to stich together different geographies, etc. as though they are the same.  That's falling into the trap of this is popular in the single biggest market therefore it's the most popular.  Common US viewpoint (I keed!) but not accurate across diverse geographies.

My view is from the numbers it's pretty clear that 360 tends to be more popular in English speaking territories and PS3 tends to be more popular in non-English speaking territories.  No idea why given that despite all the fanboy posturing when it comes to games they are 90% identical.

I already said they have their strengths in different countries, I'm talking about if you had to define which console was most popular WW, 360 would win.

Not all countries are as rich as the US. US has a huge population as well as more money to spend on entertainment compared to other countries.

The word of mouth for the 360 will spread only in the US and hence, such a huge difference between 360 and PS3.

Based on your theory of more money in the US, the PS3 should be killing it in the US because its large price wouldn't deter sales.  In the end, those who can afford an item that they want, will find a way to get it.  Just like the rest of the world, the PS2 laid what should have been a tremendous path for the PS3 to dominate in the US.  Ultimately, it has failed to take advantage of that.  We can all debate the reasons why, but price has been an issue for the PS3 in the US and around the world.  We have all seen that the PS3 has/had been picking up steam as the price has come down, but it hasn't taken off yet.  It seems that M$ has had a few things up their sleeves at every turn to keep the PS3 at bay.  We'll see if they can really do it again this year once Sony drops the PS3 another $100 in the US(and equal amounts in other markets).



psrock on 09 February 2011

How many countries does the 360 actually beat the PS3? 



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ethomaz on 09 February 2011
psrock said:

How many countries does the 360 actually beat the PS3?

US, UK and ???

I think just these two... maybe Australia but PS3 will bet 360 this quarter.

The point is 360 win US by A LOT.



yo_john117 on 09 February 2011
Seece said:

@ Notstan - I think MS announced that XBL was launching in all countries they sell X360 in, which is 35 (I'll try and find a quote, by your PSN list, PS3 ships in 56 countries.

My god so the PS3 is sold in almost twice as many countries. Thats why it sells so much more then the 360 in EMEAA.