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badgenome said:
Squilliam said:

Like this Cockatiel?

Very much like that, only with a little less whistling and a whole lot more vigorous butt pounding.

If there is one thing badgenome is able to understand, its that he likes the feeling of his butt getting pounded.



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ManusJustus said:
badgenome said:

Er, yeah. You might want to try something a little more recent.

I'm really not interested in debating pluralism and American conservatism with you in light of the fact that your every expressed belief about the latter has been stupid as fuck.

Every viewpoint you have is border line retarded.  I will give you credit, atleast you are able to form letters into meanging, though there are some chimpazees thatcapable of that.

You do, however, have reading problems since you didn't bother (or can't) read the article you linked to.  From Bush years, Egyptian approval rating within margin of error, Egyptian view of American image is within margin of error, Egyptian view of the American people is up,  Egyptian Muslim's view of Americans within margin of error, Muslims concern that America is a threat is down, and Egyptians wanting America to lead the fight on terror within margin of error.

Like I said, border line retarded.

Unless I truly am retarded, I'm fairly certain that 2006 was a Bush year. It's true that favorable opinions dropped in 2007 and 2008, and received a modest bump in Obama's first year, but the fact remains that Egyptians viewed America more favorably under Bush the reckless cowboy destroyer who was held in contempt by the whole wide world than they do now.



ManusJustus said:
badgenome said:
Squilliam said:

Like this Cockatiel?

Very much like that, only with a little less whistling and a whole lot more vigorous butt pounding.

If there is one thing badgenome is able to understand, its that he likes the feeling of his butt getting pounded.

Yep, but if there's another thing I understand it's that you're never getting into my bed again. I couldn't feel a thing!



badgenome said:

Unless I truly am retarded, I'm fairly certain that 2006 was a Bush year. It's true that favorable opinions dropped in 2007 and 2008, and received a modest bump in Obama's first year, but the fact remains that Egyptians viewed America more favorably under Bush the reckless cowboy destroyer who was held in contempt by the whole wide world than they do now.

Obama lost 4 points from when he came into office until now, which is well within the statistical margin of error.  Thats not to mention that this is one of many polls taken from the article you referenced.



badgenome said:
ManusJustus said:
badgenome said:
Squilliam said:

Like this Cockatiel?

Very much like that, only with a little less whistling and a whole lot more vigorous butt pounding.

If there is one thing badgenome is able to understand, its that he likes the feeling of his butt getting pounded.

Yep, but if there's another thing I understand it's that you're never getting into my bed again. I couldn't feel a thing!

Incontinence is a huge problem for men practicing anal sex, if anything I'm doing people a favor.



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ManusJustus said:

Obama lost 4 points from when he came into office until now, which is well within the statistical margin of error.  Thats not to mention that this is one of many polls taken from the article you referenced.

What are you even arguing? I didn't say Obama's personal popularity was in the shitter; I said that America under the Obama administration was less popular in Egypt than ever, probably as a result of the huge disconnect between Obama's grand speechifying and what his administration actually does. Obama often has high personal popularity in polls where people abhor his policies, but that's neither nor there.



ManusJustus said:
badgenome said:

Er, yeah. You might want to try something a little more recent.

I'm really not interested in debating pluralism and American conservatism with you in light of the fact that your every expressed belief about the latter has been stupid as fuck.

Every viewpoint you have is border line retarded.  I will give you credit, atleast you are able to form letters into meanging, though there are some chimpazees thatcapable of that.

You do, however, have reading problems since you didn't bother (or can't) read the article you linked to.  From Bush years, Egyptian approval rating within margin of error, Egyptian view of American image is within margin of error, Egyptian view of the American people is up,  Egyptian Muslim's view of Americans within margin of error, Muslims concern that America is a threat is down, and Egyptians wanting America to lead the fight on terror within margin of error.

Like I said, border line retarded.

Is your idea of having a conversation to bludgeon people with insults, so either they stop communicating with you or end up firing barbs back?  Remind me here exactly WHAT is obtained by saying to someone "every view point you have is border line retarded"? 



richardhutnik said:

Is your idea of having a conversation to bludgeon people with insults, so either they stop communicating with you or end up firing barbs back?  Remind me here exactly WHAT is obtained by saying to someone "every view point you have is border line retarded"? 

I guess I kind of brought that on myself with my "stupid as fuck" comment. Maybe that was over the line (at least zexen says it was!) but I honestly don't know how else to characterize it when someone's idea of critiquing conservatism is to alternate between calling conservatives Nazis and terrorists.



It's like it always is: when freedom is advantageous, they'll believe in it. I would hope they're not quite so crass as to oppose freedom in the middle east currently simply because Obama could take credit for it, but they would at least oppose it if they feel it will cause nations to go further from the US orbit. Certainly we saw that quandary rear its ugly head in Kyrgyzstan a while back, where the pro-US president refused to leave office for a while even though he was legitimately defeated by one of the pro-Russian party. Russia of course loved freedom in that instance, but we were hesitant to support the results of that election

 

Political and economic liberalization usually means a shift towards the US bloc, but who the hell knows? The only definitive spot of hope in all of this is that this in no way resembles Iran, largely because Mubarak was/is less blatantly western by a good stretch than the Shah was, and the current unrest in Egypt hasn't been co-opted by the radical Islamists yet. Certainly the brotherhood party is there, but their role in this so far has been merely as an opposition party, and has not yet evolved into one of an Islamist party, and neither are the people taking to the streets for Islam as they were in Iran in 79



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Armads said:

Neocons support capitlism, not democracy.  They could care less whether or not the people they trade with are oppressing their people.  In my eyes Obama has not lost egypt because he had hardly anything to do with it.  But furthermore the toppling of Egypts government will be a good thing if the people can rally around a legitimate regime.

 


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