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Pachter doesn't know priorities!

Heresy! Pachter is God! 11 12.64%
 
Even a god may be wrong sometimes... 5 5.75%
 
Pachter is a demigod 3 3.45%
 
Pachter has priorities mo... 12 13.79%
 
Pachter is my dad 4 4.60%
 
Pachter is my cat 52 59.77%
 
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Darth Tigris on 31 January 2011

@ ... well, almost EVERYBODY

I seemed to have brought out the wrath of the Nintendo faithful as if I had insulted their fav console or something.  Well that wasn't what I was doing.  It was just some analysis of why the Wii is bigger than the N64 and GC.  I said it was because of the motion gimmick that Nintendo made fun games with that reached a new, casual audience.  For the record that is not a slight on the Wii or Nintendo.  But, with the exception of their motion specific games (such as the Wii ____ titles), all of their 1st party games have been derivative updates of old games.  Even if very well done derivatives (yes, I consider SMG one of the top 5 games I've played this gen and TTP an overall well done GC game), they still are.  They have not introduced new IP's (and again, I'm ONLY talking Nintendo 1st party) outside of the Wii ____ games.

So why is everything selling so much more?  Because there are MORE people that have Wii's that came interested in the new casual motion games but came to notice that, hey, Nintendo makes great regular games too.  And here we are.

Again, if you guys see that as a slight to the Wii or Nintendo, then that's unfortunate.



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axt113 on 31 January 2011

^You fail to understand the selling power of games like 2D mario and the Wii titles, N64 and GCN lacked that



Rumors indicate that it is planning on following the first approach, sticking a new, motion-sensitive controller onto an existing console. Our perspective is that this is the worst of the three options.

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mike_intellivision on 01 February 2011
Squilliam said:

He didn't say it'd fail, he said it'd fail to sell more than the Wii. In respect to both the Wii and DS and their 3DS and Wii 2 counter-parts it isn't too unsafe to say that they may sell less than their previous incarnations. The Wii is selling more than 100M consoles LTD, and the DS will sell well over 160M.

Since we know that the 3DS is essentially a DS2 plus 3D and is coming into more handheld competition than the DS ever faced from the likes of Apple and it doesn't seem to hold any revolutionary new values to the same extent the DS had over the GBA and whilst the Wii 2 is still unknown at this point the majority of what made Wii new and innovative has now been incorporated into competing consoles.

Direct quote from the article from Pachter: "So without third-party support, I think the Wii 2, if it's truly a revolutionary device, will fail."

I think he is saying that the Wii2 will fail, under the conditions that he puts forth (and that he sees as likely).

Of course, to Pachter, the future is as clear as mud.

 

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haxxiy on 01 February 2011
RolStoppable said:
Darth Tigris said:
Khuutra said:

Hm

No, not at all, particularly not for the systems with Nintendo games.

Nintendo games aren't the reason why the Wii is as popular as it is.  The N64 and GC were home to a better library of Nintendo games than the Wii but didn't sell near as well.

You can't be serious.

Well the Wii's library is half as worthy as the Gamecube in terms of critical appeal.

Besides, the whole Wii series bar Wii Fit and MKWii and NSMBWii successes were consequences and not causes.



 

 

 

 

 

BoneArk on 01 February 2011

Pachter could be right,but, he also could be wrong. Wait and see.



                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   

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haxxiy on 01 February 2011
RolStoppable said:
haxxiy said:
RolStoppable said:

You can't be serious.

Wake me up when Wii's library is half as worthy as the Gamecube in terms of critical appeal.

Same as the post you just quoted.


Edited my post to make more sense now.



 

 

 

 

 

MrT-Tar on 01 February 2011

Pachter, he'll never learn




Squilliam on 01 February 2011
Alby_da_Wolf said:
Squilliam said:

He didn't say it'd fail, he said it'd fail to sell more than the Wii. In respect to both the Wii and DS and their 3DS and Wii 2 counter-parts it isn't too unsafe to say that they may sell less than their previous incarnations. The Wii is selling more than 100M consoles LTD, and the DS will sell well over 160M.

Since we know that the 3DS is essentially a DS2 plus 3D and is coming into more handheld competition than the DS ever faced from the likes of Apple and it doesn't seem to hold any revolutionary new values to the same extent the DS had over the GBA and whilst the Wii 2 is still unknown at this point the majority of what made Wii new and innovative has now been incorporated into competing consoles.

You give a possible sensible reason, I agree with you, not with Pachter. And the vast majority of Wii's and DS' new markets are simply happy with what those two devices give them, they give them all the gaming/not gaming/casual gaming they need, a big part of them could simply not feel any need to upgrade to next gen. Also, as you said, now some of Wii's features are available on the competition too, but while I agree with those telling you and others that good games using those features are necessary to succeed, I don't see why Nintendo's competitors shouldn't have their 1st and 3rd parties making those games.

To be honest it is really hard to say what some of the people who bought the Wii will do in the next generation. Are they the type who would skip generations or be late adopters in the next generation? On this I cannot say!



Tease.

Squilliam on 01 February 2011
mike_intellivision said:
Squilliam said:

He didn't say it'd fail, he said it'd fail to sell more than the Wii. In respect to both the Wii and DS and their 3DS and Wii 2 counter-parts it isn't too unsafe to say that they may sell less than their previous incarnations. The Wii is selling more than 100M consoles LTD, and the DS will sell well over 160M.

Since we know that the 3DS is essentially a DS2 plus 3D and is coming into more handheld competition than the DS ever faced from the likes of Apple and it doesn't seem to hold any revolutionary new values to the same extent the DS had over the GBA and whilst the Wii 2 is still unknown at this point the majority of what made Wii new and innovative has now been incorporated into competing consoles.

Direct quote from the article from Pachter: "So without third-party support, I think the Wii 2, if it's truly a revolutionary device, will fail."

I think he is saying that the Wii2 will fail, under the conditions that he puts forth (and that he sees as likely).

Of course, to Pachter, the future is as clear as mud.

 

Mike from Morgantown

However all Nintendo would truthfully have to do is bite the bullet and slap around a half billion to a billion dollars of development incentives down on the table and say 'go hard' to places like EA in exchange for exclusive content. It worked for Microsoft in the start of the generation and even if EA is still reeling from all their losses it is sort of a Godfather type deal that they could hardly say no to.

One thing I wonder about is if Nintendo is indeed releasing a new control scheme which is radically different then developers would have to have seen it by now in order to create innovative games. I don't see any real rumours coming out so thats a black mark against anything radically different on that front, Pachter was talking also in that context that the revolution would be again in the controls.



Tease.

Alby_da_Wolf on 01 February 2011
Squilliam said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
Squilliam said:

He didn't say it'd fail, he said it'd fail to sell more than the Wii. In respect to both the Wii and DS and their 3DS and Wii 2 counter-parts it isn't too unsafe to say that they may sell less than their previous incarnations. The Wii is selling more than 100M consoles LTD, and the DS will sell well over 160M.

Since we know that the 3DS is essentially a DS2 plus 3D and is coming into more handheld competition than the DS ever faced from the likes of Apple and it doesn't seem to hold any revolutionary new values to the same extent the DS had over the GBA and whilst the Wii 2 is still unknown at this point the majority of what made Wii new and innovative has now been incorporated into competing consoles.

You give a possible sensible reason, I agree with you, not with Pachter. And the vast majority of Wii's and DS' new markets are simply happy with what those two devices give them, they give them all the gaming/not gaming/casual gaming they need, a big part of them could simply not feel any need to upgrade to next gen. Also, as you said, now some of Wii's features are available on the competition too, but while I agree with those telling you and others that good games using those features are necessary to succeed, I don't see why Nintendo's competitors shouldn't have their 1st and 3rd parties making those games.

To be honest it is really hard to say what some of the people who bought the Wii will do in the next generation. Are they the type who would skip generations or be late adopters in the next generation? On this I cannot say!

IMVHO the answer is banal: a part of them yes, another part not. I'll explain why I think part of them could skip next gen in my next post answering another person, as he gave me the right argument to justify mine.



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