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...by joining the Egyptian Revolution Facebook page!

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Take-Whats-Yours-Egypts-Peaceful-Revolution/184543531578879#!/pages/Take-Whats-Yours-Egypts-Peaceful-Revolution/184543531578879

Also, word is the military has been acting rather cold towards the protesters today, marking a stark change in attitude compared to the friendliness and support coming from the military over the two days prior.  From what I've heard, they've been given orders to start clearing the streets of demonstrators tomorrow, and I get the feeling certain military officials being promoted to government positions as part of Mubarak's "reforms" may have something to do with it.  Tomorrow will decide how everything turns out.  It all depends on whose side the military takes.

Honestly, I find it downright disgusting that Obama and other world leaders have yet to call for Mubarak's resignation.  His entire populace no longer recognizes him as leader, and the only reason he retains any power at all is because Western governments are propping him up, insisting that he is still leader, and merely calling for governmental reforms as opposed to full on resignation.

If I were in such a position of power, I'd simply no longer recognize him as the Egyptian president.  How can you possibly be considered a ruler when the people you supposedly rule are no longer taking your orders?   How can anybody with any sense still claim he is the leader of Egypt?



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I joined, not much people can do other than show support, hopefully this really is resolved peacefully and what is best for the people rather than a dictator.



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makingmusic476 said:

Honestly, I find it downright disgusting that Obama and other world leaders have yet to call for Mubarak's resignation.  His entire populace no longer recognizes him as leader, and the only reason he retains any power at all is because Western governments are propping him up, insisting that he is still leader, and merely calling for governmental reforms as opposed to full on resignation.

If I were in such a position of power, I'd simply no longer recognize him as the Egyptian president.  How can you possibly be considered a ruler when the people you supposedly rule are no longer taking your orders?   How can anybody with any sense still claim he is the leader of Egypt?

Mubarak has been an ally for decades. Calling for his resignation would look bad. The US Government is doing the right thing, let the Egyptian people decide who their leader is and once the dust clears then take sides. Also what happens if Mubarak manages to hold onto control through a military campaign or through his save face measures? Canada is doing the same thing. They are saying they want to see democracy in Egypt but they are not going to endorse either side.

Say the US gives formal support to the protestors and then the protestors start killing people? What if the revolution turns violent and the US supported the protestors? Also as said other allies in Suadi Arabia etc...etc... might be worried if the US formally supported the rioters.

Once a new Government is chosen , then the US , Canada , Britain , Israel and such will begin to show some support. But they aren't likely to get involved directly in the protests its up to the Egyptians to decide who they support.



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Why should I support a revolution that could end up the country in a worse state? A revolution where the ones who are doing the protest are letting criminals free, wanted to attack the Museums etc...



 

makingmusic476 said:

...by joining the Egyptian Revolution Facebook page!

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Take-Whats-Yours-Egypts-Peaceful-Revolution/184543531578879#!/pages/Take-Whats-Yours-Egypts-Peaceful-Revolution/184543531578879

Also, word is the military has been acting rather cold towards the protesters today, marking a stark change in attitude compared to the friendliness and support coming from the military over the two days prior.  From what I've heard, they've been given orders to start clearing the streets of demonstrators tomorrow, and I get the feeling certain military officials being promoted to government positions as part of Mubarak's "reforms" may have something to do with it.  Tomorrow will decide how everything turns out.  It all depends on whose side the military takes.

Honestly, I find it downright disgusting that Obama and other world leaders have yet to call for Mubarak's resignation.  His entire populace no longer recognizes him as leader, and the only reason he retains any power at all is because Western governments are propping him up, insisting that he is still leader, and merely calling for governmental reforms as opposed to full on resignation.

If I were in such a position of power, I'd simply no longer recognize him as the Egyptian president.  How can you possibly be considered a ruler when the people you supposedly rule are no longer taking your orders?   How can anybody with any sense still claim he is the leader of Egypt?

Because the world leaders like the USA president supported him, same for Ben Ali...



 

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makingmusic476 said:

...by joining the Egyptian Revolution Facebook page!

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Take-Whats-Yours-Egypts-Peaceful-Revolution/184543531578879#!/pages/Take-Whats-Yours-Egypts-Peaceful-Revolution/184543531578879

Also, word is the military has been acting rather cold towards the protesters today, marking a stark change in attitude compared to the friendliness and support coming from the military over the two days prior.  From what I've heard, they've been given orders to start clearing the streets of demonstrators tomorrow, and I get the feeling certain military officials being promoted to government positions as part of Mubarak's "reforms" may have something to do with it.  Tomorrow will decide how everything turns out.  It all depends on whose side the military takes.

Honestly, I find it downright disgusting that Obama and other world leaders have yet to call for Mubarak's resignation.  His entire populace no longer recognizes him as leader, and the only reason he retains any power at all is because Western governments are propping him up, insisting that he is still leader, and merely calling for governmental reforms as opposed to full on resignation.

If I were in such a position of power, I'd simply no longer recognize him as the Egyptian president.  How can you possibly be considered a ruler when the people you supposedly rule are no longer taking your orders?   How can anybody with any sense still claim he is the leader of Egypt?


Actually... Obama pretty much has.  He didn't get their as fast as Bush would of, but he's quietly done just that.

He's told Mubarak to "transition into democracy."

Not as strong a statement as you'd like, but he's gettin there.  There are even reports that he actually threatened to cut aid to Egypt if Mubarak cracked down hard on the protesters.

Bush probably would of turned on Mubarak as soon as the protests start.   "Teach that Pharoh a lesson!" and the like. 



Lostplanet22 said:
makingmusic476 said:

...by joining the Egyptian Revolution Facebook page!

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Take-Whats-Yours-Egypts-Peaceful-Revolution/184543531578879#!/pages/Take-Whats-Yours-Egypts-Peaceful-Revolution/184543531578879

Also, word is the military has been acting rather cold towards the protesters today, marking a stark change in attitude compared to the friendliness and support coming from the military over the two days prior.  From what I've heard, they've been given orders to start clearing the streets of demonstrators tomorrow, and I get the feeling certain military officials being promoted to government positions as part of Mubarak's "reforms" may have something to do with it.  Tomorrow will decide how everything turns out.  It all depends on whose side the military takes.

Honestly, I find it downright disgusting that Obama and other world leaders have yet to call for Mubarak's resignation.  His entire populace no longer recognizes him as leader, and the only reason he retains any power at all is because Western governments are propping him up, insisting that he is still leader, and merely calling for governmental reforms as opposed to full on resignation.

If I were in such a position of power, I'd simply no longer recognize him as the Egyptian president.  How can you possibly be considered a ruler when the people you supposedly rule are no longer taking your orders?   How can anybody with any sense still claim he is the leader of Egypt?

Because the world leaders like the USA president supported him, same for Ben Ali...

Because it's better to have reliable known dictator than another extremist muslim country.

And it's only thanks to Mubarack that we don't have arabs vs Israel war every few years. Stability of the whole region depends on Egipt.

It's good to see Barrack "disaster" Obama haven't ruined yet another thing for a short glory of appraisal from left winged intelectualists



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Zlejedi said:
Lostplanet22 said:
makingmusic476 said:

...by joining the Egyptian Revolution Facebook page!

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Take-Whats-Yours-Egypts-Peaceful-Revolution/184543531578879#!/pages/Take-Whats-Yours-Egypts-Peaceful-Revolution/184543531578879

Also, word is the military has been acting rather cold towards the protesters today, marking a stark change in attitude compared to the friendliness and support coming from the military over the two days prior.  From what I've heard, they've been given orders to start clearing the streets of demonstrators tomorrow, and I get the feeling certain military officials being promoted to government positions as part of Mubarak's "reforms" may have something to do with it.  Tomorrow will decide how everything turns out.  It all depends on whose side the military takes.

Honestly, I find it downright disgusting that Obama and other world leaders have yet to call for Mubarak's resignation.  His entire populace no longer recognizes him as leader, and the only reason he retains any power at all is because Western governments are propping him up, insisting that he is still leader, and merely calling for governmental reforms as opposed to full on resignation.

If I were in such a position of power, I'd simply no longer recognize him as the Egyptian president.  How can you possibly be considered a ruler when the people you supposedly rule are no longer taking your orders?   How can anybody with any sense still claim he is the leader of Egypt?

Because the world leaders like the USA president supported him, same for Ben Ali...

Because it's better to have reliable known dictator than another extremist muslim country.

And it's only thanks to Mubarack that we don't have arabs vs Israel war every few years. Stability of the whole region depends on Egipt.

It's good to see Barrack "disaster" Obama haven't ruined yet another thing for a short glory of appraisal from left winged intelectualists


So what, people don't deserve a shot at controlling their own government?  A chance for some semblance of actual freedom?

The idea that anybody thinks a dictator should stay in power amazes and befuddles me.



Lostplanet22 said:

Why should I support a revolution that could end up the country in a worse state? A revolution where the ones who are doing the protest are letting criminals free, wanted to attack the Museums etc...


Have we been paying attention to the same revolution?  The one during which hundreds of protesters have voluntarily begun cleaning the streets of Cairo and Alexandria of debris and other trash given local sanitation services are currently inoperable?

Or the one in which citizens have formed neighborhood watch groups and makeshift road blocks to keep their neighborhoods safe after police forces retreated from the streets?

And yes, some looted the museum.  Meanwhile thousands of others formed a human chain around the building in order to protect the priceless heirlooms of Egyptian history found within:

Thousands of Egyptians form human-chain around Egypt Museum to protect it from looting

Also, multiple sources claim that plain clothes security officers have been taking part in the looting, an apparent attempt by Murabak to cast the protesters in a negative light to those watching globally:

Security forces in plainclothes are engaged in destroying public property in order to give the impression that many protesters represent a public menace.

And even more damning:

Fearing that he and his forces were being sidelined, el-Adly was rumored to have ordered the police forces to stay home and leave it to the army to deal with the crisis. Meanwhile, multiple STRATFOR sources reported that many of the plainclothes policemen were involved in a number of the jailbreaks, robberies of major banks, and the spread of attacks and break-ins into high-class neighborhoods that occurred Jan. 29. In addition to allowing the police to blow off steam, the implicit message that the Interior Ministry was sending to the army through these actions was that the cost of undermining the internal security forces was a complete breakdown of law and order in the country that would in turn break the regime.

How could anyone support Murabak and his cronies here?