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HappySqurriel on 28 January 2011

Something that everyone seems to have overlooked (including myself until a few moments ago) is that the second SKU is possibly a very bad omen for those who want the PSP2 to be really affordable. While I might be overlooking a minor console release, from my knowledge there have only been two systems every released with multiple SKUs; and the reason for the low cost SKUs seemed to be to limit the damage from releasing unprecedentedly expensive systems.

The two systems I am referring to are obviously the Xbox 360 and the PS3. While I think everyone is fully aware of the fallout from the PS3’s $600 price tag, the Xbox 360’s $400 price initially had it being criticized for being remarkably expensive. While I’m sure some people would disagree with me, I have suspected since it stopped production that the $500 PS3’s life was so short because Sony was losing far more money on that version and it (only) really existed because Sony wanted to market that the PS3 was only $100 more than the Xbox 360.

Now, I could be wrong but I doubt Sony would be releasing a low end system if they could release their fully featured PSP for $50 or $100 more than the 3DS; so I would expect that the 3G-PSP2 will cost $400 to $450, with the WiFi-PSP2 being at $300 to $350.



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Burning Typhoon on 28 January 2011

Sony: NGP 'affordable,' wont cost $599 Wi-fi only version coming.

Was that really so hard?

Anyway, I don't think anyone honestly thought the thing would be 600 dollars...  People didn't buy PS3s for 600, why would they buy a portable for that much?

I think it's going to be 300 bucks for the 3D lacking models.  He specifically said northward...  That means 'more.'  So, of course not $250.

Don't forget, Sony now has the PSP to fall back and collect sales on too... So, if someone wants a cheaper handheld, they can get a 3000 model for less than the 3DS, maybe...

It's not like before, where, the PSP didn't have anything under it.  Nintendo handhelds have always had something under them.

But, price, is ultimately what's going to do it.  That and launch titles will be what makes the deal with people...  I just wish Sony had held off on the announcement... I want the thing right now... :(



Chairman-Mao on 28 January 2011

$300 or less, or GTFO



Zlejedi on 28 January 2011
heruamon said:

Well...I look at this amazing device, NGP, and the closest thing I can see to compare it to are Smart Phones.  Now, MOST unlocked Smartphones go for around $599-$699, so I’m not sure how much cheaper Sony can get than that, and have a sound strategy to breakeven in a reasonable amount of time.  Maybe $499, but any lower than that, and SCE will be DEEP in the red again, which will put them a precarious situation, since M$ and Nintendo are going to be launching new console in the near future (regardless of what they say.)  Have 2 platforms slamming you into the red is probably going to make Sony shareholders scream for austerity quickly!


Do smartphone prices really suck so badly in USA?

I can get Galaxy 9000 S or HTC Legend for <400 euro and those are on the expensive end of android prices.



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heruamon on 28 January 2011
Zlejedi said:
heruamon said:

Well...I look at this amazing device, NGP, and the closest thing I can see to compare it to are Smart Phones.  Now, MOST unlocked Smartphones go for around $599-$699, so I’m not sure how much cheaper Sony can get than that, and have a sound strategy to breakeven in a reasonable amount of time.  Maybe $499, but any lower than that, and SCE will be DEEP in the red again, which will put them a precarious situation, since M$ and Nintendo are going to be launching new console in the near future (regardless of what they say.)  Have 2 platforms slamming you into the red is probably going to make Sony shareholders scream for austerity quickly!


Do smartphone prices really suck so badly in USA?

I can get Galaxy 9000 S or HTC Legend for <400 euro and those are on the expensive end of android prices.

Well...I don't know of anyone in the US who buys a smartphone off a 2-year contract, so it really depends...btw...400 Euros is $544 USD at the current exchange rate.  What is an IPhone going for?  Most people get smart phones for $199 to $299 in the USA, AT LAUNCH, but about 3 months laters, you can usually get that phone for $99, and about 7-8 months later $49.
 



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Grimes on 28 January 2011
heruamon said:
Zlejedi said:
heruamon said:

Well...I look at this amazing device, NGP, and the closest thing I can see to compare it to are Smart Phones.  Now, MOST unlocked Smartphones go for around $599-$699, so I’m not sure how much cheaper Sony can get than that, and have a sound strategy to breakeven in a reasonable amount of time.  Maybe $499, but any lower than that, and SCE will be DEEP in the red again, which will put them a precarious situation, since M$ and Nintendo are going to be launching new console in the near future (regardless of what they say.)  Have 2 platforms slamming you into the red is probably going to make Sony shareholders scream for austerity quickly!


Do smartphone prices really suck so badly in USA?

I can get Galaxy 9000 S or HTC Legend for <400 euro and those are on the expensive end of android prices.

Well...I don't know of anyone in the US who buys a smartphone off a 2-year contract, so it really depends...btw...400 Euros is $544 USD at the current exchange rate.  What is an IPhone going for?  Most people get smart phones for $199 to $299 in the USA, AT LAUNCH, but about 3 months laters, you can usually get that phone for $99, and about 7-8 months later $49.

Prices don't come down that fast, especially for the best phones. Maybe the crappy phones that don't sell very well. It's the contract where most of the money is made anyways. Usually $70 per month since you have to buy a data plan. If you terminate the plan, there is a penalty which starts at a couple hundred dollars and goes down the longer you stay on the plan.

So in the end it doesn't really matter what you pay for the phone, since in reality you're buying like $2000 of service.



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heruamon on 28 January 2011
Grimes said:
heruamon said:
Zlejedi said:
heruamon said:

Well...I look at this amazing device, NGP, and the closest thing I can see to compare it to are Smart Phones.  Now, MOST unlocked Smartphones go for around $599-$699, so I’m not sure how much cheaper Sony can get than that, and have a sound strategy to breakeven in a reasonable amount of time.  Maybe $499, but any lower than that, and SCE will be DEEP in the red again, which will put them a precarious situation, since M$ and Nintendo are going to be launching new console in the near future (regardless of what they say.)  Have 2 platforms slamming you into the red is probably going to make Sony shareholders scream for austerity quickly!


Do smartphone prices really suck so badly in USA?

I can get Galaxy 9000 S or HTC Legend for <400 euro and those are on the expensive end of android prices.

Well...I don't know of anyone in the US who buys a smartphone off a 2-year contract, so it really depends...btw...400 Euros is $544 USD at the current exchange rate.  What is an IPhone going for?  Most people get smart phones for $199 to $299 in the USA, AT LAUNCH, but about 3 months laters, you can usually get that phone for $99, and about 7-8 months later $49.

Prices don't come down that fast, especially for the best phones. Maybe the crappy phones that don't sell very well. It's the contract where most of the money is made anyways. Usually $70 per month since you have to buy a data plan. If you terminate the plan, there is a penalty which starts at a couple hundred dollars and goes down the longer you stay on the plan.

So in the end it doesn't really matter what you pay for the phone, since in reality you're buying like $2000 of service.

I agree 100%! I heard in most of the world...monthly plans are not in fashion at all....and most phone are pay as you go...which is basically how they are going to get you anyway.  The basic point is that smart phones are expensive  devices from a hardware perspective, and this seems to be a SUPER smart phone!



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Darth Tigris on 28 January 2011
heruamon said:
Darth Tigris said:
heruamon said:

Well...I look at this amazing device, NGP, and the closest thing I can see to compare it to are Smart Phones.  Now, MOST unlocked Smartphones go for around $599-$699, so I’m not sure how much cheaper Sony can get than that, and have a sound strategy to breakeven in a reasonable amount of time.  Maybe $499, but any lower than that, and SCE will be DEEP in the red again, which will put them a precarious situation, since M$ and Nintendo are going to be launching new console in the near future (regardless of what they say.)  Have 2 platforms slamming you into the red is probably going to make Sony shareholders scream for austerity quickly!


Really good points!  Competing with the 3DS and expected consumer pricing for handheld gaming is only part of the puzzle.  The other part is surviving as a division.  That's the part that most gamers ignore, unfortunately.

 

I will say this though...if Sony can launch this thing, and TIE it to monthly fees, they would probably be able to deliver it at a much cheaper cost.  The problem is what services model are you looking at 3G is okay, but probably not the best for online gaming, and I'm not sure if this device will even be 4G capable.  At $299, I'd get this over the 3DS in a heartbeat...at $399...not likely.  Here's the other thing about it...software development cost for it are probably  going to be much higher than that of the 3DS, so that means games will be costlier and take longer.  I’m sure Sony is wary of what happened with the PS3’s launch and dearth of solid titles are a while, but unless Sony is going to fray the cost, developers will rave about how great the device is, but their bean counters will say, HELL NO to large scale development of titles.  A lot of developers are just now finally placing 360/PS3 development on wash/rinse/repeat, and the thought of developing for a whole new platform is probably a cautious decision to make.

 


Another good point.  By the end of the year, HSPA-plus  and LTE will be all the rage and 3G will start to sound like last gen phone tech.  Considering the amount of data speed needed to play PS3 level games, will 3G even be enough to do slightly less than PS3 level games justice?



Grimes on 28 January 2011
Darth Tigris said:


Another good point.  By the end of the year, HSPA-plus  and LTE will be all the rage and 3G will start to sound like last gen phone tech.  Considering the amount of data speed needed to play PS3 level games, will 3G even be enough to do slightly less than PS3 level games justice?

Not to mention that hi resolution games will require a minimum of several gigabytes. So the 3G connection will be rather useless to download the latest games. So really, the only thing 3g would be good for is the same stuff that a phone already does, that most people already own.



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chapset on 28 January 2011

imo 399 virgin version and 499 full equip



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