Big response incoming:
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Joelcool7 said:
[1.Your right the Wii is the champion this generation. It has sold over 80-million units. [1a.However as Rol pointed out it sold 3-million fewer units in 2010. You point to market saturation, this is not the case,] [1b.PS2 and DS have both sold over 140-million units. Fact is that means their are over 60-million unreached users who still haven't bought a Wii.] [1c.Sales are dropping fast and the Wii definatly needs a saviour to remain dominant for the next year or years until the successor is launched.]]
[2.Sony needing a savior? I am not a fan of Sony but I must admit their sales are rising year on year. PS3 is selling more software due to the rise in hardware sales. Infact Sony apparently is now profiting on every unit they sell, meaning the PS3 is doing better now then it ever has. Will PS3 have what it takes to survive a few more years? Yes it will, it doesn't need a savior.]
[3.[3a.You yourself point out the next gen has to start in 2012,] I agree the Wii can't survive any longer then that. You point out all the reasons the Wii needs a savior. [3b.It is the weakest hardware this gen,] [3c.its lacking software support.] [3d.You point out Nintendo can't wait to see what their competitors announce, pointing out that the Wii can't last till the competition makes an announcement.]]
[4.Here's the facts I agree Nintendo needs new hardware in 2012, but while I think its logical and what Nintendo will do what does this mean. A) Nintendo drops support of old hardware within a year max two, even the big successes like GBC and GBA and SNES were all dropped within years. When Nintendo drops support how will the Wii remain on store shelves like the PS2 did or the origional PlayStation or the Genesis? The Wii will die in 2012 unless by a chance third parties continue making games for it. Which if it is easy to port from 3DS to Wii and vice versa is a possibility. Also their is the possibility that Nintendo will wait for the competition to make its first move (Unviel new hardware) you point out the biggest factor that leads people to this posibility. Nintendo controls the market and even without good hardware sales they are in a position where they can wait another year or two to unviel new hardware. Nintendo usually likes to wait for the competition to make its move so launching first wouldn't fit their profile. Though I agree it makes sense to launch in late 2012 if Nintendo's competitors don't reveal their next gen consoles at E3 this year or next their is a slight possibility Nintendo will wait it out. Slim possibility and I don't count on it, but you pointed out several reasons it is possible. If Nintendo chooses to wait then Wii needs a savior to keep the system fighting a few more years!]
[5.So we both agree Wii is in need of a savior soon (By 2012) or it will not continue living?]
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1a. While it did not sell as well as 2009 and 2008, the Nintendo Wii still had a great year and it did sell more then in 2007, when the Wii was considered the new thing, and it still outsold it's competitors. I don't think it's nearly as alarming as you and RolStoppable are making this out to be. I can guarantee you, if it was so alarming, the Wii would have been outsold by the PlayStation 3, Xbox 360, and the PlayStation Portable at less then 10 million units. The sales figures only strengthen my belief that most people who want a Wii already has one.
1b. This makes no sense to me. How is the sales of two much better selling console is a decent way to determine the number of unreached potential Wii owners? That's like saying that the SNES had over 10 million unreached potential customers at the time because the NES sold 61 million while the SNES sold 49 million.
1c. Refer to 1a. While the Wii's yearly sales are in decline, it's been pretty consistent, showing that the console is slowly fizzling out for the next generation, which is normal, instead of a sharp decline. You could have said the same thing with the PlayStation 2.
2. Only recently are Sony making a profit on the console. From launch up until February, 2010, they've sold the console at a loss, which was huge in late 2006 to mid 2008. They've been losing money on the console for 3 1/4 year and making a profit from it for only ten months tops, that's not nearly enough to recover all the loss Sony made with the console. This means Sony can afford to make much fewer business mistakes and why infuriating there customers will hurt them a lot more and it can put them back in the position they were only a few years ago. But it might be a good idea to end this part of the argument right here, since we're discussing Nintendo hardware sales, not Sony.
3a. If we're counting handhelds, it's kind of starting in February, 2011 with the Nintendo 3DS launch.
3b. It didn't stop the Nintendo Entertainment System from dominating the video game industry back in the mid 1980s-1991 and it's hardware was inferior in power and in reliability. If anything, having the weakest hardware indicates that it needs a successor to prevent the console form stagnating.
3c. Many people absolutely detested 2008 for the Wii (Although I found it to be at least a decent year for the console). Ironically, it was the Wii's best-selling year. Software support (Unfortunately) =/= hardware sales for that year.
3d. It's not just lack of software for this year. Another reason why I think Nintendo needs to announce their new console in 2012 is because since the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 probably won't receive a successor until 2014-2016 due to the Kinetic and the Move among other factors, Nintendo has the opportunity to secure their place as the leading console manufactures and make an extremely well made console that will likely satisfy both core and casual consumers, causing Sony and Microsoft to struggle with what they got this generation while Nintendo is pushing ahead for next generation.
4. This one I'm going to clump together since the paragraph is so huge:
The Game Boy Advance is more in the middle in terms of Nintendo supporting after the next gen console occurred. Nintendo DS came out in November, 2004, the Game Boy Advance had a pretty big year in 2005, there were signs of support in 2006, and had a quiet end in 2007. When Nintendo drops support, it'll probably be quicker then the NES's end but will last longer then the Nintendo 64 and Gamecube. The Nintendo Entertainment System had quality games right until the end of it's lifespan on a somewhat regular basis, the Wii is already evaporating in support and will probably dry up completely in late 2013 or early-mid 2014. The Nintendo 3DS is about Nintendo Gamecube power so it'll be easier to port, but we have to remember that the Nintendo Wii is over twice as powerful at the Nintendo Gamecube, so keeping the same experience for both consoles will still be difficult to perform. As said before, it would be stupid to wait not only due to the lack of software support, but also so Nintendo can capture the maximum amount of players possible and ensure as nonexistence of hardware sales competition as possible. Nintendo is in a great position and they have a huge opportunity to take even more control of the game market, so why not release a Triple A successor to the Wii in late 2012 when Sony and Microsoft will likely wait until 2014-2016 to release their next console.
I also want to point out that you contradicted yourself in the bold. You've been saying that the Nintendo Wii is in need of a savior and you argue that hardware sales is a primary reason why you believe this. Now you're saying that Nintendo is in a position that even without good hardware sales, they won't need to reveal a new piece of hardware for a year or two. Which is it?
5. No, I think the Wii doesn't need a savior and think the best strategy for it is to slowly fizzle out until dying in late 2013-mid 2014.
Looking forward to a response.
