Sony's overreaching legally here, far and away. Courts have protected backup rights again and again, and they definitely won't buy the argument that you can felony-hack your own personal private property

Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.
Sony's overreaching legally here, far and away. Courts have protected backup rights again and again, and they definitely won't buy the argument that you can felony-hack your own personal private property

Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.
I still have my original 60 GB PS3 box printed for the U.S. market. I'll check to see if "other OS" was advertised.
If Sony doesn't want people to own their system, they should just rent out the PS3 for a monthly rate. That way, they can take it back if it gets hacked or pirated.
| mantlepiecek said: Other OS was never advertised, people. It was a side feature. Even the "it only does everything" was started with the PS3 slim, which didn't have linux, so that argument is useless as well. Saying sony removed something is why hackers hacked this system is a joke. I am a consumer and I hate it when other people compromise my gameplay environment. The hackers are directly responsible for the hacking, and also piracy. Piracy is something I can give two shits about, I don't want cheaters on my online network. Hey, my PS3 doesn't make me sandwiches, why didn't geohot hack it then? Huh? After all Sony advertised it. It does everything! I hope Geohot can make it make sandwiches because he has the responsibility of making it do everything now. That makes sense, right? Other OS is the biggest BS I have ever heard. The linux runs slow as hell, and it allows only 10 GB to be used. All this hacking BS was done just to gain attention, that's all. Till now all we have heard because of this hacking(unlike kinect) is piracy, and cheaters, and activision's lame threat. Nothing worthwhile. |
Correct! If you really want Homebrew stick to a PC. Why do you need to hack hardware to get something you already have....?
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If you want to 'hax' your ps3 _yourself_ fine. Do with your hardware as you want. It is _still_ illegal to distribute the method you used to others. It is _still_ illegal to buy/sell mod kits.
Geohot is nothing but a limelight whore who wants and is getting attention for his crap. Call em hackers or 'security researchers' they do not have a right to screw people, which is exactly what they are doing to PS3/X360/Wii owners.
Lets not forget that the PS3 is not the only thing that's been hacked. Until the most recent update modern warfare 2 on X360 has been highly unplayable online.
thranx said:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/192731/sony_zaps_playstation_3_install_other_os_feature.html Sony giveth and Sony taketh away: When the company's newest PlayStation 3 firmware update drops on April 1, it'll remove a beloved feature once trumpeted as a system sale-maker. That's right Linux wonks, it's time to kiss the PS3's "Install Other OS" option goodbye. Unlike Microsoft's Xbox 360 or Nintendo's Wii, the PS3 shipped with an option to run "other" operating systems, including popular Linux distributions from Debian, Fedora, OpenSUSE and Ubuntu. The "slim" model PS3 (CEH-2000) that appeared in September 2009 debuted without this feature, but Sony exempted older "fat" PS3s. Until next Thursday, that is. When Sony's PS3 firmware update 3.21 debuts on April 1, it'll disable the "Install Other OS" feature on millions of older systems. While you don't have to install the update, opting out will bar access to the PlayStation Network, newer games and Blu-ray movies, copyright-protected videos streamed from a media server, and any other new features in firmware version 3.21 forward. Sony's spin goes something like this: By removing the feature, the company says it "will help ensure that PS3 owners will continue to have access to the broad range of gaming and entertainment content from SCE and its content partners on a more secure system." Translation: You get something you already have ("access to [a] broad range of gaming" etc.) in trade for nothing, while Sony gets to close what it now deems a hacker loophole. What's good for Sony is good for you, in other words. Except when it's not (good for you, that is). Running Linux on the PS3 allows amateur developers to tinker with the PS3's Cell processor, Sony sanctioned, and cobble together home-baked utilities and games. It's also been used by researchers to build "discount supercomputers" to run scientific simulations that might otherwise "cost thousands of dollars." North Carolina State University professor Frank Mueller called it "$50,000 worth of computer power for a mere $5000." The majority reaction on Sony's PlayStation blog won't surprise anyone. "Wait...you are REMOVING a feature?" writes one user. "What's next? Removing BC from early PS3 adopters? Terrible update sony, teeeerrible," writes one user. "This is an idiotic idea," says another. "I paid for this feature. When the console was $500 I paid for this feature. And Yes, I use this feature." "Hey Sony, considering you are disabling half of my product (It was explicitly sold with labeling ON THE BOX that states it supports other OS installations) - Can I get half my money back?" asks a third, adding that the move is "like selling someone a table, and then breaking 2 of the legs off." Access to the system via Linux isn't carte blanche. Sony locks out its powerful Nvidia-developed RSX graphics processor by using a hypervisor--a "virtual machine monitor" that runs the guest operating system in a secure virtualized memory space. In January, a US hacker known for unlocking the Apple iPhone told the BBC he'd managed to crack the PS3, admitting his workaround would allow players to run pirated games as well as older PS2 software. It's not clear whether the January hack led to Sony's decision to scrap Linux support, but I'd say the timing's definitely suggestive. In case you're wondering, Sony says this isn't an April Fool's joke. Contrast with betters like "PS3 Leap-Year-Glitch Fix Resets Space-Time Continuum," or "Nude Kratos Toggle in God of War III Update." My condolences, PS3-Linux wonks. Niche user base or no, it's usually bad news when a company starts pulling features from its product portfolio. "It only does everything"? Time to re-think that ad campaign, Sony.
I bolded the important parts. And the ironic one, boy did that backfire on them. So should we continue to let Sony(or eventually MS, Apple, etc) remove features that were advertised and than bought and paid for? That is all I wonder from you guys, I put forth my stance on it. |
Have you looked on your PS3s box. Linux isn't advertised on the box. Its mentioned in the manual. Have you ever seen an advert where Sony mentions OtherOS or Linux?? Thats impossible because there never was any. Why do you think the people trying to sue Sony over OtherOs have failed?? Because it was never advertised. If it was advertised like that then Sony would have lost straight away.
"He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither.."
- Abraham Lincoln
Some people here need to drop the whole argument about how all of this is 'OK" because they want to protect their system. In the end their protection hurts the consumer.
Open your eyes people. You all are showing that you would give up RIGHTS of YOUR OWN PROPERTY!
This part of the article really troubles me too.
"Simply put, Sony claims that it's illegal for users to access their own computers in a way that Sony doesn't like. Moreover, because the CFAA has criminal as well as civil penalties, Sony is actually saying that it's a crime for users to access their own computers in a way that Sony doesn't like."
You support that? Come now, really? O_o
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| Euphoria14 said: "He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither.." |
WHOA! Deep man! My mind is blown....
| huaxiong90 said: @Thranx: While I totally agree Sony brought it on themselves (and even hope they lose so as to learn their lesson, and instead figure out a way to deal with this), you CANNOT say they're fighting for our rights when they published the hack on the net. If they kept it to themselves, and maybe figured a way to bring back the advertised features without blowing the PS3's door wide open, then I can agree. But this is just wrong, because while it does bring back features Sony advertised...it also opens up game hacking and piracy, and THAT is not doing us any favors. |
I agree with this, there is a lot going on here and none of it is really black and white.
Sony, as a company has the right to protect thier network/hardware from intrusion. What I think the op is questioning is whether they have gone to far to protect that right.
In this, we all have a vested interest! If Sony wins rights that severly limit our ability to "use" something you buy (even if you define use as trying to break it), your freeedom has been lessened, and that is not something that anyone should take lightly.
This does NOW however exclude the original hacker(s) from culpability though, they are equally at fault for causing the issue in the first place. That is, IMO personal use should not extend to diseminating the knowledge for breaking a system for others to take advantage of (though there is gray here too).
So where is the truth in the gray area? I'm not claiming to know, but everyone's approach should be more of a "lets find out more information" then woodenly decalring one party ast the "good" guy and one as the "bad".