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mantlepiecek said:


Reverse engineering windows for eg is illegal. Even for personal use. Which is why many people use other OS such as linux.

True, but that's not what the defendants here are accused of.  Reading through Sony's motion, they are not accusing the defendants of stealing Sony's intellectual property in any way.  They are merely accusing them of "circumventing" (their word) some protections that Sony put in place to ensure its monopoly over the system.



Isn't the system software inside the ps3 that is distributed from the hack copyrighted and confidential?

They provided a method for distributing the code without sony's consent, and can't that be considered a crime?


Just a guess, i dont really know.



M.U.G.E.N said:

Good....I hope they win


I agree in the essence of hackers suck. Though on the other hand most companies have tried and most have failed



 

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noname2200 said:
M.U.G.E.N said:


we shouldn't support pirating....I sure as heck don't, and geohot and co. has opened the door for that. For a few conveniences I will not support pirating sorry.

The problem is that this method has several other, perfectly legal and legitimate, applications as well.  Just because something "opens the door" for piracy, it does not give a copyright holder the right to terminate the consumer's rights. 

To give you a rough and imperfect analogy, pockets can be used to shoplift.  Therefore, merchants should have the right to ban people with pockets from entering their store, or at least be able to search your pockets when you leave their premises.

This is why they have detectors at doors, it does that for them so they dont have to.

So heres a real analogy for you If i make a nifty gadget that charges my cell phone wirelessly while in my pocket and it also allows any nonscanned electronical device to not be detected at the front of bestbuy through their shoplifting detectors by your accord this product, since this product which i most certainly made for the latter, also includes a legal and legit application, my intent and illegal use of it is rendered irrelavent?

I cant believe people are acting like this wasnt developed for the the sole purpose of pirating things.



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noname2200 said:
mantlepiecek said:


Reverse engineering windows for eg is illegal. Even for personal use. Which is why many people use other OS such as linux.

True, but that's not what the defendants here are accused of.  Reading through Sony's motion, they are not accusing the defendants of stealing Sony's intellectual property in any way.  They are merely accusing them of "circumventing" (their word) some protections that Sony put in place to ensure its monopoly over the system.

Wow, well im done, i wasted too much time typing thought out responses and then i hit refresh and am hammered with this nonsense, later guys good luck.



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People kill people.

How hard is it to understand?



steverhcp02 said:


Well the problem is whether you want to put your head in the sand on purpose or not we all know why this "homebrew" was made. You only break it down to the fundamental level because we all know why he did it and it wasnt for legal reasons, so thats really the lamest argument for this guy and others like him. Its not like he upped his toasters wattage to cook bagels faster and voided the warrenty, he created malicious software with the intent on playing games for free, no sense in trying to mask it as anything different.

There are many users on this very site who have installed homebrew onto their other videogame systems.  I won't speak for them, but I'd venture to guess that many of them will be happy to tell you just how wrong you are in accusing them of only doing so to pirate games.  Whether you like it or not, there ARE several legal uses for homebrew,and I'm willing to bet the people here who've used them feel a little insulted by your accusation.

steverhcp02 said:

 

If im not mistaken, 3rd parties and such file requests to develop software for the PS3, sony gets royalties IE they control what goes in and thsu out of the PS3 brand/image. If this person created alterations with the intent on bypassing the legal purchase of software (which he did) then there are not only terms violations im sure with the PSN and online connectivity (which there are) but also with the fact that the aforementioned software that will eventually be pirated falls on Sonys doorsteps.

Can you prove this in any way, shape, or form?  Keep in mind that "I would only use this to pirate games!" is not evidence in any sense of the term.  If you can offer me anything to support the idea that the defendants had the intent which you ascribe to them, then I will join you in condemning him.  Don't keep me waiting.

steverhcp02 said:

Ill supply an analogy, if i make a meth lab in my basement but dont make meth, i build and supply the lab but my brother uses it an dmakes it im still guilty for "opening the door" so to speak. You think i can go in front of a jury or judge and defend myself, say "its my property, i bought these tubes and this legal equipment, got the burners legally i cant help that he made the stuff"?

Yes.

Yes you can.

Unless the state proves that you provided those materials with the intent of furthering a crime (i.e. manufacturing meth), then the jury would have to find you Not Guilty of the crime of conspiracy.  In light of how all of that equipment has several legal uses, even when used in tandem, the state can not simply convict you for someone else's criminal use of your property.

steverhcp02 said:

The bottom line is this douche and other people whose intent for doing these things hurts potential sales in an industry that sorely needs it and people depend on to feed their families, that should be enough for any civilized, logical and mature human being to not support this guy or any other people like him.

Again, you're walking into a court of law and ascribing an intent to someone without bothering to offer evidence to support your assertion.  If you can offer such evidence, I am willing to hear it.  But neither you nor Sony has done so yet.  Sony may ultimately do so: that's what the discovery process is all about.  But while I'm only halfway through their motion, they haven't offered a shred of such evidence yet.



I think the question is more along the lines of "did he ever log onto the PSN?" If he did, I would imagine that somewhere in there wall of text it states that you will not modify hardware/software. I can't believe they wouldn't sneek it in somewhere. Noone reads those things. Everytime you update your firmware there is something you must agree to.  I actually think Sony could win. Directv and Dish won. People got busted for hacking their cards and boxes. It's their equipment yet they were found guilty.



steverhcp02 said:
noname2200 said:

Sony put in place to ensure its monopoly over the system.

Wow, well im done, i wasted too much time typing thought out responses and then i hit refresh and am hammered with this nonsense, later guys good luck.

I'm assuming that you are not familiar with the definition of the word "monopoly," and that you only know its negative connotation.  Allow me to educate you:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/monopoly

 

1. exclusive control of a commodity or service in a particular market...

Now, allow me to cut and paste language from Sony's own motion.

"All genuine PS3 Systems are manufactured with technological protection measures that effectively control access to the PS3 System and prevent unlicensed or copied software from playing on the PS3 System"
Broken down into plain English, Sony designed the PS3 in order to control what software can and can not run on the system.  It intended to have exclusive control over the PS3 market.  It was, quite simply, a monopoly.

Now, I don't use that word as an insult in any way, shape, or form.  All videogame consoles are monopolies: the creator controls who can and can not make games for that system.  That is their incentive for creating the console in the first place.  I do not see this as a bad thing; there's a reason they risk hundreds of millions of dollars in making these things, and that's to reap the rewards from the monopoly they created over the system.

But my sarcastic apologies if you were offended by my use of the correct term.