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Euphoria14 said:
radiantshadow92 said:
Euphoria14 said:

Way to go. I never said I cared about Linux. I only stated that the removal of Linux was what pushed the PS3 scene to crack open the PS3.

Do me a favor and actually read what I write next time will you please?

You said that because you do care about Linux. 

#1.) That is also why you keep bringing up the 600$ price point.

#2.)I have read, and all i keep reading is "Its all sony's fought for removing linux"


Like I said, next time try reading what I write.

#1.) I brought up the $600 price because that is what I paid for it, plus that discussion wasn't about linux, it was about whether or not purchasing something entitles one to do whatever they wish with it. 

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3860291

So Linux claim #1 shot down. Hell, Linux wasn't even mentioned in that entire discussion. O_o

 

#2.) I say it is SONY's fault for removing Linux because AS I SAID NUMEROUS TIMES, it was Team0verflow, the people who broke it open in the first place who even admitted to this, not to mention GeoHot's initial hack only resulted in giving it back before he vanished from the scene.

Linux claim #2 shot down.

 

@Bolded

No, you didn't read what I wrote because nowhere do I mention that I care about Linux.

Keep feeling free to turn this into a discussion of entirely BS accusations about what my direction in this argument is though and my reasons for supporting the scene.


What accusations? That you care about Linux. Whether you do or not doesn't really matter. The point is that you defend the homebrew community because you care about linux/homebrew. Instead of caring about what pirates always get away with. 



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radiantshadow92 said:
Euphoria14 said:
radiantshadow92 said:

Who said i was supporting SONY? I am not supporting ANYONE. And it sounds like you are supporting a community that and i quote " that care nothing of *you*". The blame is on Hotz and anyone involved in hacking the PS3. I mean really, why did every other console get hacked? Are you going to say "because of the ummmm ummm...."

There is nothing to fight, this would have happened even if linux had stayed on the console. Stop kidding yourself by saying "Its all Sony's fought!". 

Alright, I will refute this entire post.

#1.) Homebrew community not caring.

Numerous releases from the homebrew community whether it be SNSES9x, GNES, Nesticle, private online servers, homebrew indy title, etc... almost always have community forums where people give info on what they would like to see added/removed, bugs found, etc... and all of this work done over a long period of time by these homebrew developers is done 100% free of charge.

#2.) Why did the other consoles get hacked?

Easy, they never allowed homebrew from the get go. PS3 did.

Read the statement by Team0verflow. PS3 didn't last this long because SONY made some unbreakable code. It lasted so long because there was no reason for the community to do so. The 360 is actually a more secure console than the PS3.

http://www.ps3hax.net/2010/12/ccc-ps3-security-is-epic-fail-fail0verflow-project/#axzz1AqMmJ9HQ

#3.) This would have happened if Linux stayed on the console.

Is a possibility, but remember, the PS3 scene didn't really start getting into full swing until after Linux was removed, so your claim is actually more BS than mine is. I can actually back mine up.

 

A certain user's sig says it all in this situation as it helps to know about the scene if you are to argue against it.

 

I know plenty. I know how a community like that shouldn't exist in the first place. Modding your own console should be enough. There is no reason for the mass spread. Except for fame, which is exactly what the hackers want. And at what cost? The cost of pirates pirating games. It just isn't worth it but they do it anyways.

That same scene turned the PSP into what it is today, not SONY.

Just look at the cycle of events beginning from KXploit and how each time the scene added a new feature (Ex: Web Browser, Internet Radio) SONY responded by then adding it to the official FW.

CFW PSP also played PS1 titles before SONY added the feature.

 

There is no basis to even begin an argument on why it shouldn't exist, especially if your only argument is piracy, who's effects are so incredibly overblown, not to mention isn't the purpose of the scene but instead the purpose of those who exploit what the scene has created.

 

Like I said originally, it isn't right to just go and lump everyone together. Fans on this very site hate it when people generalize and lump them all together.



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radiantshadow92 said:
Euphoria14 said:
radiantshadow92 said:
Euphoria14 said:

Way to go. I never said I cared about Linux. I only stated that the removal of Linux was what pushed the PS3 scene to crack open the PS3.

Do me a favor and actually read what I write next time will you please?

You said that because you do care about Linux. 

#1.) That is also why you keep bringing up the 600$ price point.

#2.)I have read, and all i keep reading is "Its all sony's fought for removing linux"


Like I said, next time try reading what I write.

#1.) I brought up the $600 price because that is what I paid for it, plus that discussion wasn't about linux, it was about whether or not purchasing something entitles one to do whatever they wish with it. 

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3860291

So Linux claim #1 shot down. Hell, Linux wasn't even mentioned in that entire discussion. O_o

 

#2.) I say it is SONY's fault for removing Linux because AS I SAID NUMEROUS TIMES, it was Team0verflow, the people who broke it open in the first place who even admitted to this, not to mention GeoHot's initial hack only resulted in giving it back before he vanished from the scene.

Linux claim #2 shot down.

 

@Bolded

No, you didn't read what I wrote because nowhere do I mention that I care about Linux.

Keep feeling free to turn this into a discussion of entirely BS accusations about what my direction in this argument is though and my reasons for supporting the scene.


What accusations? That you care about Linux. Whether you do or not doesn't really matter. The point is that you defend the homebrew community because you care about linux/homebrew. Instead of caring about what pirates always get away with. 


After bringing this up time and time again I ask you this.

Prove it. If not then you are in fact again making BS accusations. I care about homebrew, but could care less about Linux itself.



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Euphoria14 said:
radiantshadow92 said:
Euphoria14 said:
radiantshadow92 said:
Euphoria14 said:

Way to go. I never said I cared about Linux. I only stated that the removal of Linux was what pushed the PS3 scene to crack open the PS3.

Do me a favor and actually read what I write next time will you please?

You said that because you do care about Linux. 

#1.) That is also why you keep bringing up the 600$ price point.

#2.)I have read, and all i keep reading is "Its all sony's fought for removing linux"


Like I said, next time try reading what I write.

#1.) I brought up the $600 price because that is what I paid for it, plus that discussion wasn't about linux, it was about whether or not purchasing something entitles one to do whatever they wish with it. 

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3860291

So Linux claim #1 shot down. Hell, Linux wasn't even mentioned in that entire discussion. O_o

 

#2.) I say it is SONY's fault for removing Linux because AS I SAID NUMEROUS TIMES, it was Team0verflow, the people who broke it open in the first place who even admitted to this, not to mention GeoHot's initial hack only resulted in giving it back before he vanished from the scene.

Linux claim #2 shot down.

 

@Bolded

No, you didn't read what I wrote because nowhere do I mention that I care about Linux.

Keep feeling free to turn this into a discussion of entirely BS accusations about what my direction in this argument is though and my reasons for supporting the scene.


What accusations? That you care about Linux. Whether you do or not doesn't really matter. The point is that you defend the homebrew community because you care about linux/homebrew. Instead of caring about what pirates always get away with. 


After bringing this up time and time again I ask you this.

Prove it. If not then you are in fact again making BS accusations. I care about homebrew, but could care less about Linux itself.

Did you skip the sentence after the question? Just forget it, i am done. Good day to you sir. 



Le fuck it. I give up. But i'll still go ape shit if KZ3 and trophies go to hell.



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Acevil said:
noname2200 said:
Acevil said:

See I see this as a coin, on one side what you said (Which should be 100% legal), but the other side is the fact of distribution of modification (which I think is grey area). 

I'm not completely certain by what you mean when you say "distribution of modification."   Do you mean telling others how to do what they did?


I assume some sort of program is involved, haven't been up to date with the modification community. So basically the distributions of the tools to hack (whether that be a Chip or Software). 

that type of software falls under freeware and documentation falls under distribution of information which is legal in the USA and many countries. Sony lost unless they serious buy out the judge's decision.



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radiantshadow92 said:

Le fuck it. I give up. But i'll still go ape shit if KZ3 and trophies go to hell.


KZ3 and Trophies will be fine.

Just like MS SONY will serve justice to those who cheat online and/or use hacks to increase their Trophy/Achievement scores.



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radiantshadow92 said:
Euphoria14 said:

radiantshadow92 said:

What accusations? That you care about Linux. Whether you do or not doesn't really matter. The point is that you defend the homebrew community because you care about linux/homebrew. Instead of caring about what pirates always get away with. 


After bringing this up time and time again I ask you this.

Prove it. If not then you are in fact again making BS accusations. I care about homebrew, but could care less about Linux itself.

Did you skip the sentence after the question? Just forget it, i am done. Good day to you sir. 

Why would I need to answer that question? I already stated that people only attack the homebrew community because of the piracy scene that tends to exploit it. One shouldn't be hated for what another one does. 

I mentioned this in a post above about how groups shouldn't be lumped together.

I didn't feel the need to keep repeating myself not only in this thread but on this same page.



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radiantshadow92 said:
Euphoria14 said:
radiantshadow92 said:
Euphoria14 said:

Way to go. I never said I cared about Linux. I only stated that the removal of Linux was what pushed the PS3 scene to crack open the PS3.

Do me a favor and actually read what I write next time will you please?

You said that because you do care about Linux. 

#1.) That is also why you keep bringing up the 600$ price point.

#2.)I have read, and all i keep reading is "Its all sony's fought for removing linux"


Like I said, next time try reading what I write.

#1.) I brought up the $600 price because that is what I paid for it, plus that discussion wasn't about linux, it was about whether or not purchasing something entitles one to do whatever they wish with it. 

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3860291

So Linux claim #1 shot down. Hell, Linux wasn't even mentioned in that entire discussion. O_o

 

#2.) I say it is SONY's fault for removing Linux because AS I SAID NUMEROUS TIMES, it was Team0verflow, the people who broke it open in the first place who even admitted to this, not to mention GeoHot's initial hack only resulted in giving it back before he vanished from the scene.

Linux claim #2 shot down.

 

@Bolded

No, you didn't read what I wrote because nowhere do I mention that I care about Linux.

Keep feeling free to turn this into a discussion of entirely BS accusations about what my direction in this argument is though and my reasons for supporting the scene.


What accusations? That you care about Linux. Whether you do or not doesn't really matter. The point is that you defend the homebrew community because you care about linux/homebrew. Instead of caring about what pirates always get away with. 

Supporting homebrew/linux supports the open source community which is the only area in the technology spectrum that actually creates innovative software and tools is a good thing. Not supporting it is actually the stupidest decision anyone can do unless they really love buying and downloading the same worthless buggy software and hardware over and over again.



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Euphoria14 said:
radiantshadow92 said:

I know plenty. I know how a community like that shouldn't exist in the first place. Modding your own console should be enough. There is no reason for the mass spread. Except for fame, which is exactly what the hackers want. And at what cost? The cost of pirates pirating games. It just isn't worth it but they do it anyways.

That same scene turned the PSP into what it is today, not SONY.

Just look at the cycle of events beginning from KXploit and how each time the scene added a new feature (Ex: Web Browser, Internet Radio) SONY responded by then adding it to the official FW.

CFW PSP also played PS1 titles before SONY added the feature.

 

There is no basis to even begin an argument on why it shouldn't exist, especially if your only argument is piracy, who's effects are so incredibly overblown, not to mention isn't the purpose of the scene but instead the purpose of those who exploit what the scene has created.

 

Like I said originally, it isn't right to just go and lump everyone together. Fans on this very site hate it when people generalize and lump them all together.


Damn right! That's the thing I hate the most about these PS3 hax threads...

Homebrew =/= Piracy. Heck, most homebrewers clearly takes a stance against piracy.