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disolitude on 12 January 2011
damndl0ser said:

The difference being that the ones they sued and won, they were actually profiting from their activity.  I don't see where Geohot has made a dime from this.  And I don't know if they can get Geohot for extorsion if he were simply asking them for a job.  He probably said that I know how to get the keys and I can help you stop it etc.. if you give me a job.  They said no and he said ok thank you.  The rest is history.


I guess you are right about the other 2 making profit...

I mean, Dreamcast was dead when bleemcast came out (2001), its not like Sony couldn't let that slide as PC versions of the emulator already existed which didn't get sued. But Bleemcast team decided to charge for emulator which probably pissed off Sony. Not to mention it made PS1 games better looking, and PS2 (even PS3) couldn't do this.

And Lik-Sang was selling PSPs to EU since they are not region locked, so Sony couldn't charge EU through the nose by selling them the PSP and marked up prices.

With this, I really don't know what case they have against the two. You can't copywright numbers and patters...and thats what the master key is so...



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Mr Khan on 12 January 2011

Likely Sony will lose. The courts have come back time and again defending mods, and legally we all have the right to make back-up copies of our own software (strictly for backup purposes obviously, but that's a protected consumer right, to the insane chagrin of the big 3)

Sony could try to merely sue GeoHot out of existence (create losing lawsuits, but so many of them that they just cripple the other end with legal fees) like they did with Lik Sang, but GeoHot operates on a far lower level and their services are far more easily replicated



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noname2200 on 12 January 2011
Dr.Grass said:


IF IT IS DISTRIBUTED ILLEGALLY THEN OF COURSE HE IS LIABLE!

Are you retarded?

I advise learning what terms mean before you throw them around, buddy. 

First off, if this was "illegal" it wouldn't be Sony suing, but the government, since prosecutions are handled by the state and not by individuals. 

Second, and more germane to our discussion here, it's far from clear that this distribution is wrongful to begin with.  In the most on-point case so far, jailbreaking one's property has been held to be a legitimate use of hardware by both the regulating federal agency and a court of law, even when that process permitted users to pirate software and break the hardware maker's monopoly over that platform.

In conclusion, learn what you're talking about before accusing others of being mentally challenged.



Admiral-Snake on 12 January 2011

Modifying Hardware is one thing.... but messing with the software is a whole completely different discussion/topic. Seriously Big Companies shouldn't be bullying the consumers, however consumers shouldn't think they can just do what the hell they want with the software. After all YOU OWN the hardware NOT the software.... Geez. Sony will most likely lose, but I do understand why they would take them to court. Also Sony isn't suing them.. its a restraining order. 



Those who know nothing can understand nothing. 

noname2200 on 12 January 2011
KylieDog said:
noname2200 said:

Yeah, we shouldn't have the right to modify our own property as we see fit!

You don't, for many things.

Hmm, true to a degree.  I should have been more precise in my language.  "Yeah, we shouldn't have the right to modify our own property in a non-prohibited manner!"

Edit:  Looking back this reads more sarcastic than I'd intended.  My apologies for that.



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noname2200 on 12 January 2011
Admiral-Snake said:

Modifying Hardware is one thing.... but messing with the software is a whole completely different discussion/topic. Seriously Big Companies shouldn't be bullying the consumers, however consumers shouldn't think they can just do what the hell they want with the software. After all YOU OWN the hardware NOT the software.... Geez.

You are correct so far as this goes, but this is not quite what Sony is accusing the defendants of doing.  The accusation is that the defendants have found a way to modify the hardware in such a way that it now accepts previously-unauthorized software, not that they're modifying Sony's own proprietary software; in fact, the basis of the action is that the defendants are circumventing Sony's software entirely. 

The motion makes a point that people could use this method to pirate software, but even Sony does not, and can not, claim that the only use for this is to pirate software.



Squilliam on 12 January 2011
NiKKoM said:
Squilliam said:

I doubt that Sony would do anything other than encourage additional hacking of their system by doing this. If sueing was so effective then why didn't Apple sue Geohot? It isn't like they've shown much restraint in the past.

cause they lost the lawsuit for jailbreaking in general.. the court founded jailbreaking legal http://www.eff.org/press/archives/2010/07/26 ... so hacking your PS3 will probably not be illegal so the only thing to get Geohot on is releasing the keys... which probably is just a math sum and I don't think you can claim that.. I can't blaim sony for not trying to get money somewhere from someone..

None of the laws they are using actually have any monetary payback. Given the scattershot legal case I suspect that if Geohot can get a reasonable legal team he ought to win.



Tease.

Admiral-Snake on 12 January 2011

Ok I see where you are coming from. Although I thought GeoHotz released a Youtube video clearly showing him modifying the Software ? 



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noname2200 on 12 January 2011
Admiral-Snake said:

Ok I see where you are coming from. Although I thought GeoHotz released a Youtube video clearly showing him modifying the Software ? 

It could just be that my technical understanding is limited (I concede that it is), but if we're thinking of the same video I think he was just showing how one would circumvent the "TPMs," rather than how to modify them.



perpride on 12 January 2011

Just thought I'd stop in here with a cold hard slap in the face from reality:

The PS3 is domed. All versions, both slim and fat, are hackable. They will be hacked. It is completely out of Sony's hand at this point. They are fighting a lost battle.

What the hackers have done is completely legal and morally justifiable. Please stop crying people.