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You should probably wait. Sometimes, there can be graphic card failures or even CPU failures, (I had one), if you get it illegally you won't get  a warranty for it.



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Phenom II X4 3.4Ghz (overclock can be done)
4gb ram
HD 5770

$615

http://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/MLA-101100690-pc-intel-i5-760-28ghz4gb-ddr3500gb240gts-1gb-ddr3hdmi-_JM

Core i5 760 2.8Ghz quad core
GT240 -> like a slightly weaker version compared to GTS250

$565

http://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/MLA-101100690-pc-intel-i5-760-28ghz4gb-ddr3500gb240gts-1gb-ddr3hdmi-_JM

Core i5
HD 5670, DX11 but same power as GT240

$584

I suggest the top one though.



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suck that you don't live in the US since this thing was about 700 bucks before it sold out =P http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834115864



Soleron said:

Given your circumstances, I think a prebuilt will be cheaper as you say (those video card prices are insane).

So the first computer you mentioned with a GTS 250 or HD 4850 or HD 5750 or GTS 450, whichever of those is cheapest. You don't need to replace the power supply; 450W is enough. The rest of the components are fine.

I don't think you need an Intel processor for PS2 emulation? AMD is compatible with all x86 instructions except SSE4.x as far as I know.

Ok, I've just got some more money (don't ask :P) that could cover buying an HD6850. I think I could get the second computer WITHOUT the HD4550 to make it cheaper, and buy the HD6850 somewhere else... What do you say, do you think that would be a good Idea? (I'm not sure if it's a micro ATX... will there be enough space for the card if it is? :P)

I think I read somewhere a few years ago that Intel processors showed better results than AMD ones... and I also read that using Core 2 Duo processors were better for the PS2 emulator than Quad cores because the emulator only uses 2 cores... and if you get a quad core you should get one of those with turbo boost... I don't know if the emulator supports quad cores currently though.

 

mchaza said:

my bad with the graphics card, i didn't know which one to pick so i went with an low one. 

you can get an 6850 for 250 USD  

anyways you have an 450W power supply for that Pc. I dont believe that would be enough. And with power its better to have more than less because less can cause alot of problems.

 

Yeah, I think I'll be getting the 6850 since I just got some more money :P and I'll probably get the second computer with the 600W power supply... but I'll wait for your recommendations before doing so... besides it's sunday today and I still have to get the money from the bank xD and I don't think the shop is open on sunday anyways.

 

twesterm said:
Jdevil3 said:
ghost_of_fazz said:

You're probably asking too much for $620USD, thanks to where you live :/


So it would be enough if I was in the US? that sucks xD

 


That would barely be enough for a decent gaming PC even in the US.  You could build one but it would be bottom of the line and would run most current games at lowest settings.

And then of course next you probably couldn't run anything new.

-edit-

Also, don't forget to factor in $100-200 for software and accessories.

 

Well... my current "gaming PC" if you can call it that way has a 9400GT 512MB video card, 2GB RAM and a Dual Core E2180... and I played Resident Evil 5, Silent Hill: Homecoming, The Last Remnant, Devil May Cry 4, etc on it... all of them on 1024x768 except for Resident Evil 5 which I played on 800x600 (LMAO).

I played DMC4 at 1024x768, No AA, Shadows on High, Textures on High, V-Sync OFF.

Resident Evil 5: 800x600, no AA, all on medium, V-Sync OFF, Motion Blur ON.

The Last Remnant: 1024x768, no AA, everything on high (LOL), don't remember about V-Sync, Draw distance set to max.

Silent Hill: Homecoming: all I remember is playing it at 1024x768.

 

I think more recent games will still play in that computer... but they'll be very laggy (all those games I listed run with lots of FPS drops, DMC4 between 20-40FPS, SH:H between 27-30, RE5 between 18-40, TLR between 15-30)

I think whatever PC I get will be better than that crap :P

Also... I already have a spare Mouse and Keyboard from the other PC and I'll use a headset for sound so no need for speakers.

By the way, do you think getting the second PC I put there and replacing the HD4550 for the HD6850 is a good idea? do you think it's a decent gaming PC? could I play games at 1920x1080/1200 with 4xAA and the MLAA filter the 6000 series have?

Soleron said:
mchaza said:

my bad with the graphics card, i didn't know which one to pick so i went with an low one. 

you can get an 6850 for 250 USD  

anyways you have an 450W power supply for that Pc. I dont believe that would be enough. And with power its better to have more than less because less can cause alot of problems.


I doubt a quad-core with 6850 would consume more than 250W total power. TDP ratings are very conservative.

 

Are you sure about that? this thing says that the 6850 alone consumes 229W when load

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2010/10/22/ati-radeon-hd-6850-review/9

mantlepiecek said:

You should probably wait. Sometimes, there can be graphic card failures or even CPU failures, (I had one), if you get it illegally you won't get  a warranty for it.

 

Don't worry, I'll get a warranty.

 

Squilliam said:

http://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/MLA-101415529-pc-amd-phenom-ii-965-4gb-ddr3-5770-1-tera-asus-envio-gratis-_JM

Phenom II X4 3.4Ghz (overclock can be done)
4gb ram
HD 5770

$615

http://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/MLA-101100690-pc-intel-i5-760-28ghz4gb-ddr3500gb240gts-1gb-ddr3hdmi-_JM

Core i5 760 2.8Ghz quad core
GT240 -> like a slightly weaker version compared to GTS250

$565

http://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/MLA-101100690-pc-intel-i5-760-28ghz4gb-ddr3500gb240gts-1gb-ddr3hdmi-_JM

Core i5
HD 5670, DX11 but same power as GT240

$584

I suggest the top one though.

 

The first one you posted costs 785 Dollars. The 615 part is 6 payments of 615,31 Pesos (153,44 Dollars)

The second one you posted costs 2999,99 Pesos (748,12 Dollars). And it's 6 payments of 584,95 Pesos (145,87 dollars).

And the third one you posted is the same link as the second one :P

 

I think I'll go with the second one I posted in the first page of the thread and change the 4550 for a 6850... do you think it's a good idea? are there any bottlenecks or something else I should change?

 

dahuman said:

suck that you don't live in the US since this thing was about 700 bucks before it sold out =P http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834115864

 

Yeah, I know... it really does suck... I remember when the PS3 was launched here (Illegaly because Sony still hadn't launched it officialy xD) it costed 5499 Pesos (that would be 1371,92 Dollars TODAY... back then the dollar was a lot less than 4,01... so it was probably above 1500 dollars back in the day, lol... I bought mine in 2009 for only 535 Dollars :P)



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I like any/all of Squillam's suggestions.

And the 229W is whole system power consumption, proving my point.



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Sorry, I tried my best but not being able to read it properly makes things hard. Anyway depending on how much extra you're going to spend either my 2nd or your 2nd is fine. However mine only costs $50 more and comes with a good enough graphics card out of the box and twice the memory. Then you can save your money until next year and get one of the next generation graphics cards.



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Soleron said:

I like any/all of Squillam's suggestions.

And the 229W is whole system power consumption, proving my point.


Oh, I see... then I guess I should be fine :)

BTW, about that thing you said about PS2 emulation: "I don't think you need an Intel processor for PS2 emulation? AMD is compatible with all x86 instructions except SSE4.x as far as I know."

 

I just searched and found that the developers of the emulator recommend Intel processors over AMD ones. This is what I found (in spanish :P, I'll tell you what it says below it in english):

 

"Requisitos mínimos: Procesador: dos núcleos a 2.8GHz. (Ver Nota1) RAM: 1GB. Tarjeta de Video: 512MB con pixel shader 3.0 y soporte para Directx 9.

Requisitos recomendados: Procesador: dos nucleos a 3,2ghz (Recomendable Intel con instruccion SSE4.1 Penryn y superiores). RAM: 2GB. Tarjeta de Video: 512MB con pixel shader 4.1 y soporte para Directx 10.

Nota: aunque tengas los requisitos recomendados es muy probable que no consigas los 60 FPS constantes en la mayoría de los juegos, ya que el emulador está todavía en desarrollo y faltan optimizar muchas cosas, de todas formas con los requisitos recomendados vas a tener una velocidad "jugable" (promedio de 45 FPS).

Nota1: El emulador se lleva bastante bien con procesadores con la instruccion SSE4.1 y desde que hay speedhacks se puede jugar muchos juegos con un Intel core duo 2 Penryn serie 2,1ghz o superior acompañado con una Nvidia 8800GTS 512Mb - segun los desarolladores se lleva mal con los procesadores AMD porque no tiene set de instrucciones deseadas para la emulacion , los speedhacks pueden conducir glitches o pantallazos en negro

Nota2: Solo Soporta dos cores por hardware y ya se remarca PS2 no se adaptan bien a través de muchos hilos / núcleos de la CPU, ya que cada emulado se debe hacer en bajo nivel y por eso a dia de hoy no ayudaria un CPU con muchos hilos o nucleos."

 

It basically says that you need a dual core at least at 2,8ghz(3,2ghz recommended). It also says it's best to have an Intel CPU with SSE4.1 Perynn instructions sets or superior... and it also says that the emulator doesn't work as well with AMD CPUs because it doesn't have some desired instruction sets for emulations and that the speedhacks (sometimes necessary for reaching 60 FPS) could cause glitches or black screens with AMD CPUs.

It also says that the emulator doesn't work very well with CPUs with lots of threads and/or cores and getting a CPU with lots of cores won't really help because the emulator only uses 2.

Now... do you know if the i5 760 has those instruction sets? O_o

 

 

Squilliam said:

Sorry, I tried my best but not being able to read it properly makes things hard. Anyway depending on how much extra you're going to spend either my 2nd or your 2nd is fine. However mine only costs $50 more and comes with a good enough graphics card out of the box and twice the memory. Then you can save your money until next year and get one of the next generation graphics cards.

 

Don't worry, you really helped me ;)

Now... I'd like to know why you recommend the first one you posted... is it because I could later change the CPU for a better one without having to change the Motherboard and also because it has 1TB instead of 500GB HDD? or does that one give you a better performance in games?

Also... considering what I said to soleron about the PS2 emulator working better on Intel processors... would you still choose the first one you posted over the second one if you were me? :P

I really don't know what to do... I'd go with the one you recommended me if it wasn't for the PS2 emulator :S

I think I need to start searching how the emulator works on that processor...



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It is a good PC, it comes with a good graphics card, the HD 5670. What resolution / how big is your monitor?

It is just a good all round PC, and you can play all the games and then decide if you want/need a new graphics card next year. It is up to date with DX11 so it supports the latest features.

 



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Squilliam said:

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It is a good PC, it comes with a good graphics card, the HD 5670. What resolution / how big is your monitor?

It is just a good all round PC, and you can play all the games and then decide if you want/need a new graphics card next year. It is up to date with DX11 so it supports the latest features.

 


Ok, I'll be getting that one then ;)

I'll be using my HDTV as a monitor... it's 32" and it's HD Ready (not Full HD :S). It can upscale the PS3 from 720P to 1080P just fine but I don't know if it will let me use the PC at anything higher than 1366x768 (the TVs native resolution). If it doesn't then I'll have to buy this:

http://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/MLA-100652457-pc-monitor-lcd-22-lg-w2243s-widescreen-3-anos-gtia-5ms-_JM

I'll decide wether I want to buy that or not after getting the PC... but I'll get it later :S. I don't know what I'm going to do with the HDTV if I decide getting a monitor since I don't have any space left in my room, lol.

Thanks everyone for your help ;)



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Jdevil3 said:
Squilliam said:

http://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/MLA-101100690-pc-intel-i5-760-28ghz4gb-ddr3500gb240gts-1gb-ddr3hdmi-_JM

It is a good PC, it comes with a good graphics card, the HD 5670. What resolution / how big is your monitor?

It is just a good all round PC, and you can play all the games and then decide if you want/need a new graphics card next year. It is up to date with DX11 so it supports the latest features.

 


Ok, I'll be getting that one then ;)

I'll be using my HDTV as a monitor... it's 32" and it's HD Ready (not Full HD :S). It can upscale the PS3 from 720P to 1080P just fine but I don't know if it will let me use the PC at anything higher than 1366x768 (the TVs native resolution). If it doesn't then I'll have to buy this:

http://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/MLA-100652457-pc-monitor-lcd-22-lg-w2243s-widescreen-3-anos-gtia-5ms-_JM

I'll decide wether I want to buy that or not after getting the PC... but I'll get it later :S. I don't know what I'm going to do with the HDTV if I decide getting a monitor since I don't have any space left in my room, lol.

Thanks everyone for your help ;)

In that case, so long as you keep that TV you could max out near every game. That card can do sound over HDMI if you're interested.



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