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Well, those white supremacist ties were debunked.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/47438.html



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badgenome said:

Apparently Peter King decided to match Bob Brady's stupidity and intends to propose a bill that will make it illegal to carry a gun within 1000 feet of a government official. Because Loughner wouldn't have shot Giffords if there had been a law against it!

Meanwhile former Congressman Paul Kanjorski takes a break from his busy schedule of calling for Governor Rick Scott to be put against the wall and shot to remind us all that creating an atmosphere of civility is important, or something.

Is there somewhere you read these connections or are you just quick with stuff, if the latter you have a way better political memory then me.



badge, I think you call people on what they say POST the event.  As you can see prior, there was language usage like that which was much more common.  Even if the concept is a firing squad, in the name of justice, one has to question its usage today.  Key is, from this point forth what to do.

I also think the law against carrying a weapon X feet from an official is absurd, as a blanket one.  I do believe that political people speaking do have every right to not allow anyone in the speaking area who has a weapon though, even if the individual has a permit for it also.



badgenome said:

Apparently Peter King decided to match Bob Brady's stupidity and intends to propose a bill that will make it illegal to carry a gun within 1000 feet of a government official. Because Loughner wouldn't have shot Giffords if there had been a law against it!

Meanwhile former Congressman Paul Kanjorski takes a break from his busy schedule of calling for Governor Rick Scott to be put against the wall and shot to remind us all that creating an atmosphere of civility is important, or something.

Would be fun if, depending on their definitions, then the District of Columbia could finally get that gun ban that they tried a few years ago to work.

Eh, whatever works to chip away at the ol' second amendment



Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.

richardhutnik said:

I want to look a bit again at what can be quantified as hatred. and individuals who are of this ilk, who end up having very much hateful thoughts, and likely not to be considered civil.  YES, the internet gives you the ability to be one, and one can say that, "Well, the person isn't like that in real life."  Well, if you give someone something to hide behind, theor true thoughts come out.  Consider one, Rich Becker, who ran into my story about my being laid off, and suggested unemployed should kill themselves, in order to lower his taxes.  He has some other ditties.  Anyhow, here you go, a sampling of his "finest":

http://www.walletpop.com/profile/819227/page/1/

* Mar 1st 2010 4:26PM I THINK SUICIDE WOULD WORK FOR THIS LOSER.STOP HIS WHINING AND REDUCE MY TAXES.WHAT A JERKOFF.

* On Charles Rangel: Feb 25th 2010 9:13PM GEE.DO YOU THINK HE HAS BEEN GETTING AWAY WITH THIS FOR YEARS BECAUSE HE IS BLACK? O NO. A BLACK THIEF. UNHEARD OF. HE BE INOOOCENT.IT'S WHITIES FAULT. CRIMINAL.

* On an NAACP leader: Feb 21st 2010 3:06PM WILSON
YOU CAN BE SURE TO DO WHAT IS EXPECTED OF HER.STEAL EVERY PENNY SHE CAN FOR HER TRIBE.

* Jan 15th 2010 4:53PM WHAT HAPPENED TO THE 3 BILLION THE U.S. HAS SENT TO ODUMBO'S HOMEBOYS? LET THEM THIN OUT THEIR POPULATION. 9 MILLION LESS HAITIANS WILL HELP OUR BUDGET.

* On a black comedian, Kat Williams: Jan 13th 2010 7:26PM Just another chimp.CHIMPIN OUT.There is your missing links.

* Oct 8th 2009 9:56PM ANY CITY WITH LOTS OF BLACKS WILL HAVE LOTS OF CRIME.CALL ME RACIST BIGOT WHATEVER FACTS ARE FACTS.20 KIDS 1 MOTHER 15 FATHERS = 36 CRACK CRIMINALS ALL JUMPING UP AND DOWN LIKE SAVAGES.AND OBAMA TRYING TO GIVE THEM ALL OTHER PEOPLES MONEY.

* Sep 5th 2009 2:12AM Keep the chimps in their cages

* Aug 21st 2009 8:57PM THATS BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIVE IN A JUNGLE TRIBE.

* Aug 21st 2009 8:53PM 12 MORE VOTES FOR THE OBAMA TRIBE

* On an article about black comedian Tracy Morgan: Mar 30th 2007 10:41PM JUST ANOTHER MONKEY DOING IT'S THING.WHAT DO YOU EXPECT.

 

So, there you go.  Anyone want to speak up here?  Yes, one has every right to say whatever you want.  But, if people shun this Rich Becker (oh and forbid that an employer find out and he get fired and can't find work, because he would have to off himself to lower taxes) well I say they have the right to do so.

Well yeah.  That's exactly how free speech is supposed to work.

 

People say something stupid, and then they pay the price due to the freedom of other people to talk about who they want and employ who they want.

 

It's the same reason we get the corporations we deserve.   When we end up with shitty companies that use child labor and bend polution rules, it's because we care more about their cheap products then we do the enviroment.  When we care more about how companies act responsibly we end up with companies like Starbucks and Ben and Jerry's.  Though I believe Ben and Jerry's has taken a backslide the last decade or so due to people thinking their icecream is too expensive.



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richardhutnik said:

badge, I think you call people on what they say POST the event.  As you can see prior, there was language usage like that which was much more common.  Even if the concept is a firing squad, in the name of justice, one has to question its usage today.  Key is, from this point forth what to do.

I also think the law against carrying a weapon X feet from an official is absurd, as a blanket one.  I do believe that political people speaking do have every right to not allow anyone in the speaking area who has a weapon though, even if the individual has a permit for it also.

I think it depends completely on how they phrase it.

If they don't mention that they were guilty in the past too I think it's completely valid to call them on it since it sounds like they are suggesting other people are at fault and that they aren't.

Which is basically how it's always played in politics.



badgenome said:

It's interesting to note that Sheriff Dupnik was actually one of the first to start pushing "the Tea Party did it" meme, and it's also interesting that he acknowledged that Loughner has a history of making death threats. I hope the media can shut the fuck up about Sarah Palin long enough to see if the sheriff's department dropped the ball on Loughner, either out of sheer incompetence or perhaps because they looked the other way as a favor to Loughner's mother (who works for Pima County Park and Recreation services) and father (who works for the local Child Protective Service). If it's the latter, it would certainly explain why the sheriff was trying to deflect and politicize the issue, aside from his being a rabid partisan.


True

The msm used to dig and work hard look at all angles. Now they just go and tape a press conference.

They sit on their ass and make up a story based on a template. 



Kasz216 said:
badgenome said:

Apparently Peter King decided to match Bob Brady's stupidity and intends to propose a bill that will make it illegal to carry a gun within 1000 feet of a government official. Because Loughner wouldn't have shot Giffords if there had been a law against it!

Meanwhile former Congressman Paul Kanjorski takes a break from his busy schedule of calling for Governor Rick Scott to be put against the wall and shot to remind us all that creating an atmosphere of civility is important, or something.

Is there somewhere you read these connections or are you just quick with stuff, if the latter you have a way better political memory then me.

Yeah, I remember Kanjorski saying it. I laughed at the time because it was supposed to be the Tea Party who was being so irresponsible with their speech.



Kasz216 said:
richardhutnik said:

I want to look a bit again at what can be quantified as hatred. and individuals who are of this ilk, who end up having very much hateful thoughts, and likely not to be considered civil.  YES, the internet gives you the ability to be one, and one can say that, "Well, the person isn't like that in real life."  Well, if you give someone something to hide behind, theor true thoughts come out.  Consider one, Rich Becker, who ran into my story about my being laid off, and suggested unemployed should kill themselves, in order to lower his taxes.  He has some other ditties.  Anyhow, here you go, a sampling of his "finest":

http://www.walletpop.com/profile/819227/page/1/

* Mar 1st 2010 4:26PM I THINK SUICIDE WOULD WORK FOR THIS LOSER.STOP HIS WHINING AND REDUCE MY TAXES.WHAT A JERKOFF.

* On Charles Rangel: Feb 25th 2010 9:13PM GEE.DO YOU THINK HE HAS BEEN GETTING AWAY WITH THIS FOR YEARS BECAUSE HE IS BLACK? O NO. A BLACK THIEF. UNHEARD OF. HE BE INOOOCENT.IT'S WHITIES FAULT. CRIMINAL.

* On an NAACP leader: Feb 21st 2010 3:06PM WILSON
YOU CAN BE SURE TO DO WHAT IS EXPECTED OF HER.STEAL EVERY PENNY SHE CAN FOR HER TRIBE.

* Jan 15th 2010 4:53PM WHAT HAPPENED TO THE 3 BILLION THE U.S. HAS SENT TO ODUMBO'S HOMEBOYS? LET THEM THIN OUT THEIR POPULATION. 9 MILLION LESS HAITIANS WILL HELP OUR BUDGET.

* On a black comedian, Kat Williams: Jan 13th 2010 7:26PM Just another chimp.CHIMPIN OUT.There is your missing links.

* Oct 8th 2009 9:56PM ANY CITY WITH LOTS OF BLACKS WILL HAVE LOTS OF CRIME.CALL ME RACIST BIGOT WHATEVER FACTS ARE FACTS.20 KIDS 1 MOTHER 15 FATHERS = 36 CRACK CRIMINALS ALL JUMPING UP AND DOWN LIKE SAVAGES.AND OBAMA TRYING TO GIVE THEM ALL OTHER PEOPLES MONEY.

* Sep 5th 2009 2:12AM Keep the chimps in their cages

* Aug 21st 2009 8:57PM THATS BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIVE IN A JUNGLE TRIBE.

* Aug 21st 2009 8:53PM 12 MORE VOTES FOR THE OBAMA TRIBE

* On an article about black comedian Tracy Morgan: Mar 30th 2007 10:41PM JUST ANOTHER MONKEY DOING IT'S THING.WHAT DO YOU EXPECT.

 

So, there you go.  Anyone want to speak up here?  Yes, one has every right to say whatever you want.  But, if people shun this Rich Becker (oh and forbid that an employer find out and he get fired and can't find work, because he would have to off himself to lower taxes) well I say they have the right to do so.

Well yeah.  That's exactly how free speech is supposed to work.

 

People say something stupid, and then they pay the price due to the freedom of other people to talk about who they want and employ who they want.

 

It's the same reason we get the corporations we deserve.   When we end up with shitty companies that use child labor and bend polution rules, it's because we care more about their cheap products then we do the enviroment.  When we care more about how companies act responsibly we end up with companies like Starbucks and Ben and Jerry's.  Though I believe Ben and Jerry's has taken a backslide the last decade or so due to people thinking their icecream is too expensive.

This is a good one from a highly regarded progressive political cartoonist

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/11/09/msnbcs-dylan-ratigan-ted-rall-call-for-violent-revolution/

So Ted must stand in line as the reason the unstable person  killed people

Infact anybody with a political bend left, center, or right is responsible

What we wouldn't want to do is blame the person behind this and the people closest to him



richardhutnik said:

badge, I think you call people on what they say POST the event.  As you can see prior, there was language usage like that which was much more common.  Even if the concept is a firing squad, in the name of justice, one has to question its usage today.  Key is, from this point forth what to do.

I also think the law against carrying a weapon X feet from an official is absurd, as a blanket one.  I do believe that political people speaking do have every right to not allow anyone in the speaking area who has a weapon though, even if the individual has a permit for it also.

Well, it's just kind of funny to me that a lot of Democrats are banging on about Sharon Angle's "second amendment remedy" remark these past few days and how the RNC should have immediately disowned her. You know, because it shows that the Republicans are to blame for the "toxic atmosphere" or whatever. Kanjorski made a much more specific remark about killing a specific politician, and down the memory hole it goes! Typical.

I think it's fine to have security measures at political events. I would imagine it's pretty common already, though I never have attended a rally. But, I mean, I'm searched if I go to a football game. Why wouldn't I be if I'm going to be near a high level politician? King's idea is pretty fucked, though. It's no one's responsibility to find out where every congressperson or bureaucrat is at any given point in time, and the whole idea of a two tier system of that sort just makes me queasy.

Edit: Well, that's not true. I was actually at a Travis Childers thing on campus a few months back. Bill Clinton was even there, and there was no security to speak of.

Edit #2: I don't even get how such a law would work. Say Joe Manchin wants to take his grandkids out to go hunting for cap & trade bills. Are they in violation of the law for carrying a gun near him?