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Reasonable said:

Not really.  The actual question it raises for me is why Sony 1st party FPS can't match the big 3rd party FPS?

Year by year the actual sales units of big third party titles have crept closer and closer on the two consoles - with 360 having early lead due to its head start - and more recently some big titles have sold more on PS3, even.

Yet, for some reason Playstation exclusive FPS can't match Halo in sales.  I find it strange as the 3rd party sales show their is an install base big enough to support huge FPS sales, and in general Playstation owners seem pretty loyal, yet titles like Killzone 2 sell a lot less despite being polished, feature rich and exlusive.

I'm always curious why this is.

Titles like Killzone 2 are polished but not in a way the mass market appreciates with features the mass market doesn't neccessarily appreciate and exclusivity than only a select few actually care about. Infact being exclusive is probably a negative on Killzone 2's sales because the marketing budget can only be justified off of the present market conditions of the PS3 and word of mouth is limited to just that systems userbase.



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CGI-Quality said:
Reasonable said:

Not really.  The actual question it raises for me is why Sony 1st party FPS can't match the big 3rd party FPS?

Year by year the actual sales units of big third party titles have crept closer and closer on the two consoles - with 360 having early lead due to its head start - and more recently some big titles have sold more on PS3, even.

Yet, for some reason Playstation exclusive FPS can't match Halo in sales.  I find it strange as the 3rd party sales show their is an install base big enough to support huge FPS sales, and in general Playstation owners seem pretty loyal, yet titles like Killzone 2 sell a lot less despite being polished, feature rich and exlusive.

I'm always curious why this is.

Consider the scenario of Forza vs GT. Forza is a robust franchise, like Killzone, but it doesn't hold the household potency of Gran Turismo, as Killzone (and to a lesser extent, Resistance) doesn't hold that to Halo or Call of Duty.

Some franchises have just made a name for themselves, and Call of Duty is one of them. Sure there will be competition (again - Halo vs Killzone, Forza vs GT), but not all the competition can/will achieve such a status.


I agree, but also it's up to Sony to advertise and market there franchises to help build the name for them. MS does a great job at this for Halo, Gears, Kinect etc.  Sony has some funny KB ads but they need something else, an edge somehow with there marketing to build there 1st party games.



Reasonable said:

Not really.  The actual question it raises for me is why Sony 1st party FPS can't match the big 3rd party FPS?

Yet, for some reason Playstation exclusive FPS can't match Halo in sales.  I find it strange as the 3rd party sales show their is an install base big enough to support huge FPS sales, and in general Playstation owners seem pretty loyal, yet titles like Killzone 2 sell a lot less despite being polished, feature rich and exlusive.

I'm always curious why this is.

 

It's a case of quality. CoD and Halo didn't get to where they were by being generic shooters. They had things that made them fun to the masses. Of course, everyone has their own taste of what fun is though.

KZ2 was probably PS3's best chance at being their flagship shooter. It failed though - the game is unforgiving. The multiplayer was a huge mess. It had even bigger spamfest matches than CoD. The Assault Tactician classes both raped the game and reduced online matches to massive clusterf***'s. If that wasn't enough, GG thought it'd be a good idea to add a dual-nade perk to the multiplayer, even with most maps having so many small corridors.

To put it bluntly, I just don't think the online was tested and adjusted properly based on feedback. GG themselves didn't know how to balance the game. Besides that, there's the controls - I often have friends come over to play some ps3 games and when I saw them play KZ2, they just couldn't do it. They could barely manuever and aim right sometimes. The lack of co-op also didn't help very much.

 

KZ2 was polished visually only, and while the game had plenty of features, there was too flaws in the gameplay that pushed away both the hardcore and casuals.

There's hope for KZ3 though - seriuosly, they fixed/removed alota major stuff that was broken in KZ2...



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Parasitic said:
Reasonable said:

Not really.  The actual question it raises for me is why Sony 1st party FPS can't match the big 3rd party FPS?

Yet, for some reason Playstation exclusive FPS can't match Halo in sales.  I find it strange as the 3rd party sales show their is an install base big enough to support huge FPS sales, and in general Playstation owners seem pretty loyal, yet titles like Killzone 2 sell a lot less despite being polished, feature rich and exlusive.

I'm always curious why this is.

 

It's a case of quality. CoD and Halo didn't get to where they were by being generic shooters. They had things that made them fun to the masses. Of course, everyone has their own taste of what fun is though.


I'm really glad you stated that. I am very blunt when it comes to CoD and most know that I am not a fan of that series AT ALL. I do not see what others see in it but you really have to give it credit for its monstrous sales even if I believe it doesn't deserve them.



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Wagram said:


I'm really glad you stated that. I am very blunt when it comes to CoD and most know that I am not a fan of that series AT ALL. I do not see what others see in it but you really have to give it credit for its monstrous sales even if I believe it doesn't deserve them.


I like it because of all the content/variety. It has every standard feature an fps can have (online, splitscreen, etcetc) and more.

I still prefer BC2 though for many reasons, the main being that any retard can't dominate in the game.

I really really want KZ3 to have good multiplayer. I seriously sometimes just couldn't get into KZ2. I got bored of CoD after playing MW2 for sometime (whored WaW before it). I've been stuck playing BC2 as my main online shooter, though I still find it fun. The $15 price for it's expansion was great.

As a ps3 user, I really do wish we had somethin like Halo. Overall, it looks like a very fun game. I'm starting to get pretty burnt out on military shooters. Resistance 3 is coming out soon but to be honest, I don't have too much hope in it being more than just "average".



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Parasitic said:
Wagram said:


I'm really glad you stated that. I am very blunt when it comes to CoD and most know that I am not a fan of that series AT ALL. I do not see what others see in it but you really have to give it credit for its monstrous sales even if I believe it doesn't deserve them.


I like it because of all the content/variety. It has every standard feature an fps can have (online, splitscreen, etcetc) and more.

I still prefer BC2 though for many reasons, the main being that any retard can't dominate in the game.

I really really want KZ3 to have good multiplayer. I seriously sometimes just couldn't get into KZ2. I got bored of CoD after playing MW2 for sometime (whored WaW before it). I've been stuck playing BC2 as my main online shooter, though I still find it fun. The $15 price for it's expansion was great.

As a ps3 user, I really do wish we had somethin like Halo. Overall, it looks like a very fun game. I'm starting to get pretty burnt out on military shooters. Resistance 3 is coming out soon but to be honest, I don't have too much hope in it being more than just "average".

KZ2 is my Halo/CoD. I really enjoyed it and Platinumed that beast :)



Munkeh111 said:
Reasonable said:

Not really.  The actual question it raises for me is why Sony 1st party FPS can't match the big 3rd party FPS?

Year by year the actual sales units of big third party titles have crept closer and closer on the two consoles - with 360 having early lead due to its head start - and more recently some big titles have sold more on PS3, even.

Yet, for some reason Playstation exclusive FPS can't match Halo in sales.  I find it strange as the 3rd party sales show their is an install base big enough to support huge FPS sales, and in general Playstation owners seem pretty loyal, yet titles like Killzone 2 sell a lot less despite being polished, feature rich and exlusive.

I'm always curious why this is.


They're certainly not selling badly. GT 5 has sold over 4m in about 4 weeks, and is still going strongly. Uncharted 2 has crossed 4m and God of War III is only just short of that number too

Apart from GT (which will get there), there are no mega franchises on PS3, but a lot of decent selling games which are (most importantly) very good games to play, and so with inFamous and Uncharted sequels coming out next year, I would expect both those franchises to grow too

What do you consider "mega". Because I U1 & U2 will hit 5mil and may crack 6mil.



Reasonable said:

Not really.  The actual question it raises for me is why Sony 1st party FPS can't match the big 3rd party FPS?

Year by year the actual sales units of big third party titles have crept closer and closer on the two consoles - with 360 having early lead due to its head start - and more recently some big titles have sold more on PS3, even.

Yet, for some reason Playstation exclusive FPS can't match Halo in sales.  I find it strange as the 3rd party sales show their is an install base big enough to support huge FPS sales, and in general Playstation owners seem pretty loyal, yet titles like Killzone 2 sell a lot less despite being polished, feature rich and exlusive.

I'm always curious why this is.


I didn't really like R2 honestly, it was okay. It sold fine IMO.

As for KZ2, that games was banging. But I think there is a specific reason why it didn't sell well. What are the best selling shooters? COD, Halo, Gears, MOH (back in the day). THEY had splitscreen and/or co op. I think that this is the biggest draw for shooters. Look at games like Kane & Lynch  or Army of Two or even Resident EVIL 5 ( I doubt it would have sold that well without co op) that sold well because they had Co op. The best selling PS3 FPS without split screen Killzone 2. 

The shooting genre is similar to the fighting genre. Most people buy them to play with their buds. And if you lack that component, then good luck with your game selling. Even without splitscreen, I think KZ2 could still crawl to 3mil which says a lot about the quality of the game.

You could probably count on you hand the number of (good) PS3 shooters with splitscreen & co op. Let me think: COD, Resident Evil, and maybe Resistance (although I didn't like R2). That's about it. PS3 owners are dying for some co op shooters. While XBOX owners get COD, Halo, Resident Evil, Gears, Perfect Dark, L4D, and did SC:C have co op too?

When my friends found out that KZ2 lacked splitscreen and co op, many of them decided to not even give it a try. Apparently, KZ2 had lag that put many people off ,although I didn't notice any, either way that lag is gone based off of what the previews say.   I'm thinking KZ3's gonna have much bigger sales for those two reasons.

An interesting note is that KZ2 is following similar sales to Uncharted 1. Will the Killzone franchise blow up like the Uncharted franchise did? I don't know, but I hope so.



Jay520 said:
Reasonable said:

Not really.  The actual question it raises for me is why Sony 1st party FPS can't match the big 3rd party FPS?

Year by year the actual sales units of big third party titles have crept closer and closer on the two consoles - with 360 having early lead due to its head start - and more recently some big titles have sold more on PS3, even.

Yet, for some reason Playstation exclusive FPS can't match Halo in sales.  I find it strange as the 3rd party sales show their is an install base big enough to support huge FPS sales, and in general Playstation owners seem pretty loyal, yet titles like Killzone 2 sell a lot less despite being polished, feature rich and exlusive.

I'm always curious why this is.

An interesting note is that KZ2 is following similar sales to Uncharted 1. Will the Killzone franchise blow up like the Uncharted franchise did? I don't know, but I hope so.


It definitely deserves it. GG is one hell of a talented developer. Sony made a good choice to buy them out.