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LordTheNightKnight on 27 December 2010
Squilliam said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
Squilliam said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
Squilliam said:

Most people when they comment on the visuals of a game are effectively commenting on the textures whether they realise this or not. This isn't a technical discussion at all, they are simply saying how good or not good the textures look. Most people aren't sophisticated enough to discuss shading, lighting, shadows, polygon counts etc.


Okay, although I also see that more effects tend to please them.

But regardless, the overall look, not just the textures, shows deliberately inferior work, since the Wii could handle the racers from last generation, and this is Dreamcast level at best.

It is quite probable that the Wii games are being CPU limited and therefore the GPU subsystem is spending considerable time waiting for the CPU to render a frame. So instead of getting N time to render it probably only recieved N-X where X is the time the GPU spent waiting to recieve the required information. A previous generation game or a game built from the ground up for the Wii would probably give the maximum quantity of time to the Wii graphics processor. However given more advanced AI etc this isn't possible on the Wii.

Furthermore it is also quite likely that many current generation effects are either impossible or inprobable on the Wii or simply don't mesh well with the architecture. So you'll see that they are either missing entirely or done badly without a previous generation technique used as a replacement which would have looked considerably better on the Wii. This is the reason why the Wii suffers most of all out of all the current generation systems from ports.

That does not apply here. We aren't asking for a carbon copy of the other versions. We're asking for solmething better than this that the Wii can handle, which is not what that game is doing. Black Ops was kind of a port in that it was squeezed from the main versions, but they still tried to get everything in there that they could. They actually tried, and the sales are even faster than any CoD game on the Wii.

The thing is though without knowing the details of development and the various tradeoffs they had to make given they had the performance numbers, budget and time, which we don't know anything about, it is hard to pass judgement that they infact didn't try.


Wer're basing them not trying on some posts made by people who know people in EA. It's the attitude that tells us they are hosing any Wii versions of their games.



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Buzzi on 28 December 2010
LordTheNightKnight said:
Buzzi said:

Don't know if someone said before...but Dead Space Extraction was "a test for Wii owners"; and guess what? They failed! So they won't have a proper game from EA ever.


But someone pointed out EA had already given up on the Wii, so it wasn't a test. It was a show trial.


Actually I would say they never tried to create a good Wii game.



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LordTheNightKnight on 28 December 2010
Buzzi said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
Buzzi said:

Don't know if someone said before...but Dead Space Extraction was "a test for Wii owners"; and guess what? They failed! So they won't have a proper game from EA ever.


But someone pointed out EA had already given up on the Wii, so it wasn't a test. It was a show trial.


Actually I would say they never tried to create a good Wii game.


Well the first few Maddens seem to be efforts (I still say changing the look was hurt more by also taking out most of the features instead of making a proper Madden with merely a cosmetic change). But for the most part, yeah. Although EA Sports Active might have been by accident, and Boom Blox was more Speilberg wanting a cool game than EA, who just rushed out the sequel, and even tried to make the name unappealing on the box.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

flagstaad on 31 December 2010
LordTheNightKnight said:


Well the first few Maddens seem to be efforts (I still say changing the look was hurt more by also taking out most of the features instead of making a proper Madden with merely a cosmetic change). But for the most part, yeah. Although EA Sports Active might have been by accident, and Boom Blox was more Speilberg wanting a cool game than EA, who just rushed out the sequel, and even tried to make the name unappealing on the box.

The Madden games had the advantage of the previous consoles work, so they were good because the previous generation games were good.

EA Sports Active its actually a good game in the genre (even if I don't like those games).

Boom Blox was a good game that could become an evergreen title, but then they rushed the sequel and destroyed the market for the franchise.

Dead Space good game with a good developer behind with a genre change that make every follower of the franchise refuse to play it, and charged 50 in a genre that was well covered for the console with cheaper games.

NBA Jam, were do I start, great game WITHOUT ONLINE, charged 50 when they themselves were aware that it was not wort it, announce it as an exclusive then with more features for the HD consoles BEFORE the game was even release for the Wii. What's wrong with the marketing department of EA? are they really that dumb?

Need For Speed (insert subtitle), they use small developer groups to handle the Wii version, Hot pursuit was in charge of Exient Entretainment with almost cero experience in Wii development their previous work included the horrible NfS: Undercover. The only decen effort was Nitro but it was not good enough.



IamAwsome on 31 December 2010
flagstaad said:
LordTheNightKnight said:


Well the first few Maddens seem to be efforts (I still say changing the look was hurt more by also taking out most of the features instead of making a proper Madden with merely a cosmetic change). But for the most part, yeah. Although EA Sports Active might have been by accident, and Boom Blox was more Speilberg wanting a cool game than EA, who just rushed out the sequel, and even tried to make the name unappealing on the box.

The Madden games had the advantage of the previous consoles work, so they were good because the previous generation games were good.

EA Sports Active its actually a good game in the genre (even if I don't like those games).

Boom Blox was a good game that could become an evergreen title, but then they rushed the sequel and destroyed the market for the franchise.

Dead Space good game with a good developer behind with a genre change that make every follower of the franchise refuse to play it, and charged 50 in a genre that was well covered for the console with cheaper games.

NBA Jam, were do I start, great game WITHOUT ONLINE, charged 50 when they themselves were aware that it was not wort it, announce it as an exclusive then with more features for the HD consoles BEFORE the game was even release for the Wii. What's wrong with the marketing department of EA? are they really that dumb?

Need For Speed (insert subtitle), they use small developer groups to handle the Wii version, Hot pursuit was in charge of Exient Entretainment with almost cero experience in Wii development their previous work included the horrible NfS: Undercover. The only decen effort was Nitro but it was not good enough.


You are spot on about Dead Space, and the Wii being saturated with rail shooters. That probably explains why RE: Darkside Chronicles didn't sell good.

The problem with NBA Jam is well, there was NO HYPE behind it. It STILL  isn't on the US Nintendo Channel, no trailer or anything.   If that says anything, it says that they didn't bother to push the game.  It was a flop in major ways. EA dropped the ball with that one.

NFS Nitro was well, your arcade racer with no ads. It could have done better with support.

NFS Hot Pursiut is your standard Half-Assed EA branded Wii game. It is also your typical Wii port of a popular game (See Dead Rising, and Call of Duty). Most ads don't have a Wii logo so very few people even knew there was a Wii version. The Wii version wasn't announced at e3. Nintnedo fanboys don't have any excuses for this one. All the blame is on EA.

Boom Blox was well, everything you said it was