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gergroy said:
VoiceofReason said:

Not really no, Kinect is a minor advancement on the pseye so minor Sony passed it up in favor of move, which is effectively capable of everything Kinect is and a ton of stuff it isn't, if you plan on waiting for better games to come out for kinect you'll be waiting a very long time since they aren't going to come what you see is what kinect is capable of, alot of people disagree but I ask you this, where are the tech demos? Move has like 4 of them, showing what it can be capable of, ps3 had a ton aswell and even the 360 had a few, if kinect was capable of something more MS would have gave us a glimpse by now, but it's not so they are just pretending it is, anyways it's your call but the tech isn't that impressive MS is just marketing it well 

try looking around the internet for what people have done with hacked kinects.  The device is capable of TONS of stuff.  There are some pretty incredible things people are doing with kinect.  Sony saying they passed on the kinect is just marketing mumbo jumbo.  They didn't want to take the risk and they are probably kicking themselves now.

OT:  I have a kinect, and I really like it.   Although, I will admit that a lot of my enjoyment is coming from the wow factor of the new technology (not so much the games actually being all that fun).  The games aren't very good to play by yourself, but are great for party's and the great thing about them is the accessibility for non-gamers (people that have never played a video game in their life).  The wii did a pretty good job about opening that door, but not in the same way that kinect can.  For example, I had my 92 year old grandma playing dance central on thanksgiving to the lady gaga song pokerface.  Needless to say, those pictures are being saved! :)

Kinect Hacks (done on PC) are useless for the X360

Kinect is successful because of the massive advertising budget it got and by it's deceptive marketing with people thinking that it's a complete revolution, never done before etc... We know where camera only games can go : Not far, even with an IR sensor. Let's wait a few more months when all this moving Soufflé will come down and people start to realize that wasn't worth it (statement also valid for PSMove except that this peripheral can easily grab WII games).



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zero129 said:
VoiceofReason said:
AussieGecko said:
VoiceofReason said:
gergroy said:
VoiceofReason said:
gergroy said:
VoiceofReason said:

Not really no, Kinect is a minor advancement on the pseye so minor Sony passed it up in favor of move, which is effectively capable of everything Kinect is and a ton of stuff it isn't, if you plan on waiting for better games to come out for kinect you'll be waiting a very long time since they aren't going to come what you see is what kinect is capable of, alot of people disagree but I ask you this, where are the tech demos? Move has like 4 of them, showing what it can be capable of, ps3 had a ton aswell and even the 360 had a few, if kinect was capable of something more MS would have gave us a glimpse by now, but it's not so they are just pretending it is, anyways it's your call but the tech isn't that impressive MS is just marketing it well 

try looking around the internet for what people have done with hacked kinects.  The device is capable of TONS of stuff.  There are some pretty incredible things people are doing with kinect.  Sony saying they passed on the kinect is just marketing mumbo jumbo.  They didn't want to take the risk and they are probably kicking themselves now.

OT:  I have a kinect, and I really like it.   Although, I will admit that a lot of my enjoyment is coming from the wow factor of the new technology (not so much the games actually being all that fun).  The games aren't very good to play by yourself, but are great for party's and the great thing about them is the accessibility for non-gamers (people that have never played a video game in their life).  The wii did a pretty good job about opening that door, but not in the same way that kinect can.  For example, I had my 92 year old grandma playing dance central on thanksgiving to the lady gaga song pokerface.  Needless to say, those pictures are being saved! :)

They haven't done anything amazing, most of the stuff you could do with a pseye, kinect is just more popular so getting more hacks, public perception is easily swayed 

lol, ok, for the op.  This guy really doesn't know what he is talking about, so just ignore him.  As that is what I'm going to do starting now

Care to prove me wrong with examples or are you just going to talk out of your ass, maybe it's something I haven't seen but all the hacks I have seen could have been done on pseye 

pretty sure you stated that ps eye could do things kinect cant do so the onus is on you, but i will mention something move apparently cant, apparently it cant do dance central. Is this not factual

I said PS MOVE could do things kinect can't, not ps eye, and PS move is getting dance games too, I expect one to play pretty identically to dance central too, if not a complete port they'd have to change around how it's programed though but they could make something effectively the same 


So what can pseye Move do that Kinect Joypad couldnt?, and trust me Kinect is alot more advanced the the PSeye or the Eyetoy ever was. i never seen demos being made for the PSeye that can do the things people are doing with kinect.

And you only have to look at the specs to see the differance, so i think you should do a bit of studying before down playing a device so you atleast know what you on about...

Read the technical specs of both (bandwith resolution fps etc...) and then come back to us, you're in for a nice surprise...



gergroy said:
VoiceofReason said:

Not really no, Kinect is a minor advancement on the pseye so minor Sony passed it up in favor of move, which is effectively capable of everything Kinect is and a ton of stuff it isn't, if you plan on waiting for better games to come out for kinect you'll be waiting a very long time since they aren't going to come what you see is what kinect is capable of, alot of people disagree but I ask you this, where are the tech demos? Move has like 4 of them, showing what it can be capable of, ps3 had a ton aswell and even the 360 had a few, if kinect was capable of something more MS would have gave us a glimpse by now, but it's not so they are just pretending it is, anyways it's your call but the tech isn't that impressive MS is just marketing it well 

try looking around the internet for what people have done with hacked kinects.  The device is capable of TONS of stuff.  There are some pretty incredible things people are doing with kinect.  Sony saying they passed on the kinect is just marketing mumbo jumbo.  They didn't want to take the risk and they are probably kicking themselves now.

OT:  I have a kinect, and I really like it.   Although, I will admit that a lot of my enjoyment is coming from the wow factor of the new technology (not so much the games actually being all that fun).  The games aren't very good to play by yourself, but are great for party's and the great thing about them is the accessibility for non-gamers (people that have never played a video game in their life).  The wii did a pretty good job about opening that door, but not in the same way that kinect can.  For example, I had my 92 year old grandma playing dance central on thanksgiving to the lady gaga song pokerface.  Needless to say, those pictures are being saved! :)

Both Sony and Nintendo were pretty clear they passed on the approach for two main reasons:

1 - cost - which makes sense.  Look at Kinect today and wonder what it would have added to a console back before PS3/Wii launched?  Way too much.  MS picked it up and focused on it when costs were lower.  Which is good for MS but you can understand why Sony/Nintendo were put off at the time

2 - applicability, particularly for Nintendo.  Nintendo wanted a single control scheme.  Kinect doesn't offer that.  If you think it does then use a 360 without a gamepad at all going forward.  Kinect is great as an additional interface, but no use if you want a single interface as Nintendo did.  Sony clearly wanted to stick with gamepads and look to a fresh Eye iteration.  I think they did miss more than Nintendo at this point by not looking more at a Kinect approach with the Eye for PS3, but again you can understand why they passed.  Sony also clearly wanted, as a hardware centric company, multiple controllers you could sell a'la Move rather than the one shot of Kinect, plus they know they could keep Move and have Eye2 match Kinect later if it became attractive enough (this angle will be one to watch I think).

 

None of this makes Kinect bad or something they were wise to skip in hingsight, but they skipped for perfectly sensible reasons both have articulated, no mumbo jumbo at all.  Cost for both seems to have been the main issue over everything else in their public comments.

Imagine Wii launching at a much higher cost with something like Kinect, and can you imagine what a launch PS3 would have cost with something like Kinect in the mix plus the Blu-Ray, etc?  It's pretty easy to see why the cost of Kinect at the time - which would almost certainly have been higher than the cost we see today to purchase it - would have been a huge barrier.

MS had advantages coming to the party later with its choices and also in terms of the potential for Kinect with PCs - which has been well illustrated already by the hackers.  For MS, Kinect is clearly a better choice.

It's important to put things in context to really understand each companies decisions and how they made sense at the time.

EDIT: BTW all this should be on another thread.  This one is just about giving yes/no reasons to the OP as to whether Kinect is worth if right now in light of his noted interest in the device.



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daroamer said:
Skeeuk said:

il be abstaining from kinect, it doesnt have any games i would play

besides almost all kinect games are full price which is a ripp off.


Not sure where you are but in the US Kinect games are $10 cheaper than most regular games.

Second, define rip-off. 

Considering he's not fond of the Wii...



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Sweep said:
gergroy said:
VoiceofReason said:

Not really no, Kinect is a minor advancement on the pseye so minor Sony passed it up in favor of move, which is effectively capable of everything Kinect is and a ton of stuff it isn't, if you plan on waiting for better games to come out for kinect you'll be waiting a very long time since they aren't going to come what you see is what kinect is capable of, alot of people disagree but I ask you this, where are the tech demos? Move has like 4 of them, showing what it can be capable of, ps3 had a ton aswell and even the 360 had a few, if kinect was capable of something more MS would have gave us a glimpse by now, but it's not so they are just pretending it is, anyways it's your call but the tech isn't that impressive MS is just marketing it well 

try looking around the internet for what people have done with hacked kinects.  The device is capable of TONS of stuff.  There are some pretty incredible things people are doing with kinect.  Sony saying they passed on the kinect is just marketing mumbo jumbo.  They didn't want to take the risk and they are probably kicking themselves now.

OT:  I have a kinect, and I really like it.   Although, I will admit that a lot of my enjoyment is coming from the wow factor of the new technology (not so much the games actually being all that fun).  The games aren't very good to play by yourself, but are great for party's and the great thing about them is the accessibility for non-gamers (people that have never played a video game in their life).  The wii did a pretty good job about opening that door, but not in the same way that kinect can.  For example, I had my 92 year old grandma playing dance central on thanksgiving to the lady gaga song pokerface.  Needless to say, those pictures are being saved! :)

Kinect Hacks (done on PC) are useless for the X360

Kinect is successful because of the massive advertising budget it got and by it's deceptive marketing with people thinking that it's a complete revolution, never done before etc... We know where camera only games can go : Not far, even with an IR sensor. Let's wait a few more months when all this moving Soufflé will come down and people start to realize that wasn't worth it (statement also valid for PSMove except that this peripheral can easily grab WII games).

true, for now anyway.  But the guy (who was an alt and is now permabanned because he just trolled everything) was saying that what you see is what you get.  I was just saying that there are tons of possibilities of things that can be done with kinect and those hacks are some indication of the possibilities.  We have only started to see the possibilities.

I agree, lets wait a few months and see where this device can go.  As an owner (of every system and both move and kinect) I only see good things for kinect in the future.  

Also, never really understood the mentality of people that go on the internet and talk crap about stuff they don't own and have no intention of buying.  Why do they even care?  To each their own I guess...



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I would say to wait 6 months to 1 year to see if the potential of Kinect pans out.  Kinect has 2-3 decently fun games right now-- but Kinect has still not lived up to anywhere near its promised potential. 

Right now you are riding on a wave of hype.  Let this wave of hype die down a little and then see if there  is still anything of substance left to ride on.

Kinect has potential but it will never have a Wii-like library of software because it doesn't have Nintendo publishing games.  My biggest concern is the games.  Big 3rd party developers are still scared to publish big-budget games on Kinect (much like the Wii, but worse) because the user-base is so small.  Very few major 3rd party publishers even want to make Xbox exclusives right now, just look at whats happened recently to former 360 exclusives like ME2, Splinter Cell: Conviction, and Bioshock.  Right now it appears that Kinect features will be implemented in many xbox games that are not Kinect exclusive.   Meanwhile a slew of casual Wii-like ports and mid-level budget games will be implemented.



 

Most anticipated games of 2011:

Uncharted 3,Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword, Rocksmith

Modern Warfare 3, Super Mario 3D

 

If you want to play the games for it for about an hour then get bored i'd say buy one but there isn't a single game out for it that has lastability!



No.



i am having crazy fun with kinect, so YES!!!!