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kowenicki said:

It speaks volumes that the vast majority of people really trying to wrestle this thread to the floor are Wii owners.

why is that?  whats the problem?

And trying to compare the wm add on or wii balance board to what kinect is about doesnt wash for me.

 


Correction - the vast majority of people trying to wrestle down this thread are Wii owners/PS3 owners/non-360 owners. Pretty much anyone who doesn't want to see Kinect being compared to their console because they find it an unfair comparison.

Honestly, I find my Pokewalker comparison to kinect far more sensible than your Kinect to home console comparison. It's like my saying "Wow! DKCR is doing amazing! It's beyond 360 launch numbers!"

If you're not gonna compare it t what you should compare it to (WF/WMP) then tant pis for you. Enjoy the flames, :P.



 

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Wow. Kowenecki proved his point.  Wii and Sony fans just refuse to say that MS did something that looks like it will be really successful.  No Kinect isnt a platform in the purest sense, but you cant play Kinect games without spending somewhere between $150 and $400 US to play Kinect games it is limited by install base of the sensor and allows a comparison simply to say.

Great job MS you created a device and initial software that has proved to be very compelling in the marketplace.



Its libraries that sell systems not a single game.

thx1139 said:

Wow. Kowenecki proved his point.  Wii and Sony fans just refuse to say that MS did something that looks like it will be really successful.  No Kinect isnt a platform in the purest sense, but you cant play Kinect games without spending somewhere between $150 and $400 US to play Kinect games it is limited by install base of the sensor and allows a comparison simply to say.

Great job MS you created a device and initial software that has proved to be very compelling in the marketplace.


Look again. More than half the people criticizing the analysis said "it had good sales, but..."

We're definitely agreeing that Kinect is, and may continue to be, successful. We just think that the analysis is ridiculous.



 

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thx1139 said:

Wow. Kowenecki proved his point.  Wii and Sony fans just refuse to say that MS did something that looks like it will be really successful.  No Kinect isnt a platform in the purest sense, but you cant play Kinect games without spending somewhere between $150 and $400 US to play Kinect games it is limited by install base of the sensor and allows a comparison simply to say.

Great job MS you created a device and initial software that has proved to be very compelling in the marketplace.


Anyone can take your logic and come up with the same by saying Microsoft fans such as yourself and Kowenecki refuse to listen to reason.  I'm not neccessarily saying this is the case.  I'm just saying just because there is a disagreement doesn't mean one party is entirely correct.  In fact, many here have given props to Microsoft for high Kinect sales regardless of how your want to classify it.



People can try to call it, or not call it whatever they want, but Kinect has been the most incredible launches of a new device in electronics.  I find the hypocrisy so comical on this site, given that SO MANY haters said Kinect would be an EPIC FAIL....oh wait...it must have been all that advertising...hhhm.  Sure, if you spend $500 M and make 2 BLN, is that a smart decision...oh well, money isn't everything right, as these companies make gaming console for spiritual enlightenment...lol.  I think Kinect is going to the second best selling large peripheral, next to Wii fit, but I would count those tallies final so soon. 



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kowenicki said:
fwap said:

It's funny how we can't compare handheld consoles against home consoles, but we can compare peripherals against home consoles.



this site does compare handhelds with consoles...  go take a look at the news page today... lol

rather than smart arse comments why dont you just comment on the kinect numbers?


Someones a little mad haha



Dont want to speak for Kowenicki, but I believe this thread came about because in the Amercas and Weekly thead people start saying Kinect software sales arent good.  So to prove a point I believe Kowenicki put this thread together and it proves the point. Kinect software and hardware sales are doing very well.



Its libraries that sell systems not a single game.

Probably a little bit more accurate to compare it to things like Wii Fit w/ Balance Board, Move, or the Guitar Hero franchise.  More comparable.  But I guess you could compare it to systems as well, but it's not a fair comparison for the add-on (add-on is limited to user base while a system isn't).  If we look at Wii Fit after 6 weeks we get 3.6 million in sales so Kinect is outpacing it right now.  Should continue to do that for awhile as Kinect launched in the holiday season and Wii Fit didn't do that aside from Japan.  Software wise for those balance boards, it is hard to tell as Wii Fit series is the only that requires the balance board, but there is a lot of software that uses it.  We know about Move and Kinect is far outpacing it in hardware and software, although same issue with software for Move as with the balance board.  As for Guitar Hero and Rock Band like things, this is another hard one to really look at.  Across many platforms, peripherals aren't required to play the games, and different games in the series when you "had" to buy the peripherals.  

I mean aside from trying to get a fair comparison, it is impressive what Kinect is doing right now.  Obviously supply has been something it has had over some of those compared to as Wii, PS3, Wii Fit, and the Guitar Hero/Rock Band series all suffered some pretty brutal supply constraints early.  But maybe this just shows better preparedness on MS's part.

 As for software wise, Kinect still has a long way to go.  Seems like many people are sticking with Kinect Adventures that they got with the peripheral and either choosing Kinect Sports or Dance Central as a secondary purchase.  But have yet to see really any expansion past that as possibly waiting til next year to make more purchases for it.  This is unlike the Wii where although they got the Wii Sports with it as well, they were also getting Wii Play, albeit for a second control in Europe and Japan, and obviously Twilight Princess.  6 million in software in the first 6 weeks (excluding Wii Sports in Europe and America) which is pretty damn good for launch.  This compared to about 3.8-4.0 million in software for Kinect (excluding Kinect Adventures).  Pretty much this shows what many have stated that some people are content at just getting the peripheral and the game that comes with which might state the software isn't the greatest yet.  And if they are buying a game with it, it is just one.  Compared to the Wii which had early adopters buying at least 2 games when they bought it.

So what I can say is yes Kinect is quite the success so far.  It has entered the market in a huge way and pushed 4 million in its first 6 weeks.  With a few weeks left in the main holiday season, that number will continue to skyrocket and pass other peripherals like it such as the balance board and even system launches themselves.  But, if the product wants to continue to be a success in the future, software does need to increase and more big software like Kinect Sports, Dance Central, and Kinectimals need to release.  MS and third parties will have to continue to release big titles to keep it going strong.  But what has been proven is it is a big force in the industry now and here to stay.



Joel12345 said:
kowenicki said:
fwap said:

It's funny how we can't compare handheld consoles against home consoles, but we can compare peripherals against home consoles.



this site does compare handhelds with consoles...  go take a look at the news page today... lol

rather than smart arse comments why dont you just comment on the kinect numbers?


Someones a little mad haha

Sorry.  I just had to.  Cute kid ya gotta admit. 



thx1139 said:

Dont want to speak for Kowenicki, but I believe this thread came about because in the Amercas and Weekly thead people start saying Kinect software sales arent good.  So to prove a point I believe Kowenicki put this thread together and it proves the point. Kinect software and hardware sales are doing very well.

Ah, it does make a lot more sense in that context, though when you look at the OP, the first thing that comes to mind really is the fact that comparing a peripheral to home consoles is bonkers. So it isn't surprising the responses turned out the way they did.

Great post by Zucas, though