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zexen_lowe said:

Linkzmax said:

Not even radish? 

No

So you seem to be leaning towards there being no cop, yet Trucks(mason) essentially naming radish as a fellow mason isn't enough for you? I know it's not out of the realm of possibility for there to be a mafia mason, but in a set up with no cop that's just downright cruel.



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Linkzmax said:
zexen_lowe said:

Linkzmax said:

Not even radish? 

No

So you seem to be leaning towards there being no cop, yet Trucks(mason) essentially naming radish as a fellow mason isn't enough for you? I know it's not out of the realm of possibility for there to be a mafia mason, but in a set up with no cop that's just downright cruel.

If you consider a mafia mason to be within the realm of possibility, then radish is not a confirmed townie...




First and foremost nen should have no votes on him, so:
Unvote: nen-suer

 

Okay, like I said. I've been working on a big post. Contrary to my earlier statement though, it isn't an attack of nen. In fact it's a confession that I've been somewhat misleading today to try and get some leads. I took a few pages out of prof's book. I realize this will all probably sound suspicious and if we go by "lynch all liars" I should probably be hung, but what's done is done and I think I've gotten good information from it.

 

I've had a probable town feeling on Wonk since the end of day three. As the proclaimed town-leader I was pushing him as my second-most likely scum in hopes that mafia would leave him around. Today, he may have been trying extremely hard to emulate my prior behavior, or I think more likely he really is a townie. Obviously I'm removing the HoS I gave earlier.

 

SAK is far from clearly town to me. I still think he could be a bad townie, but I'm leaning probable scum. Though despite that, I never thought he should be the lynch for today. I think whoever his scumbuddies are, they're far more dangerous and so I tried to hopefully draw one out. At "worse",(because a correct lynch on scum can't actually be bad) SAK would be lynched while I said I might be gone for a day, and if he's scum then I'd be left alive to be in the hot seat tomorrow. I still don't think SAK is the best lynch given what I've seen recently,(below) but if others don't agree then I'd put my vote on him.

Oh and yes it's far more likely that a good portion of the scumteam worked to save SAK. On the other hand if nen is actually scum it was only MG that exerted any effort to derail that lynchtrain.

 

It seems my only reasoning for still believing zexen is a townie is the fact that he wasn't modkilled to aid in balance. It seems quite obvious to me that he doesn't care at all anymore. Add to that some of the things that are exaggeration or not exactly the best logic and I'm starting to get that scummy vibe.

 

With hat I've been leaning scum, since nord flipped townie, but moreso today. There's been a ton of WIFOM,(talking about what he'd do if he were actually mafia) and though school certainly takes precedence over a forum game, he's been remarkably quiet for a while. Even if he is scum, we most likely have to lynch two others as well, so I'm willing to give him a chance to settle in with school and get active again. Still, a HoS hat because I'll elaborate tomorrow on the WIFOM, or if I'm not around I just want it to be known.

 

Finally, I had a very strong sense that nen was softclaiming doc with the post Wonk linked as well as the one I quoted. I voted nen for the same reason I was fingering Wonk as my lynch candidate for tomorrow, in order to keep him alive overnight. I tried extremely hard there not to push the nen lynch; unfortunately, this morning when I was going to switch my vote FF had already placed his. I didn't have time for this long explanation if I unvoted at that point, so I merely tried to caution everyone from finishing the lynch. Regrettably, nen came forward and claimed doc, but I think I was even able to turn that into a positive.

Once again, using my position as proclaimed TL, I threw together a fairly bogus suspicion against nen's claim. To be frank, only an idiot would respond to http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3865969 in any way that would indicate they are the doc, so it would have been an absolutely horrendous test to check if doc is a safeclaim. FF's reply to my question for j0 threw me off, because I really did lean town with FF. j0 was far worse though with the "If we can't find a substitute I'm happy to re-vote nen" line.

 

TLDR: You suck for skipping everything above. But here's how I really feel from most likely town to most likely scum:
Myself
Radish - To me, he's a confirmed townie
nen - I buy the roleclaim
Wonk - Extremely pro-town, to the point that I'd replace hat's "Linkz, if you are indeed mafia, well played sir." with "Wonk, if you are indeed mafia, well played sir."
zexen - Balance makes me think town, return makes me think scum
SAK - To be rude as radish once called me, he's been pretty useless
FF/hat - I'm pretty sure at least one of them is scum
j0 - I could parrot everything prof said, restate the things I've pointed out, or just use the fact that he was pretty eager to jump back on the lynch of a claimed doc

In closing:
Vote: c03n3nj0



zexen_lowe said:
Linkzmax said:
zexen_lowe said:

Linkzmax said:

 Not even radish? 

No

So you seem to be leaning towards there being no cop, yet Trucks(mason) essentially naming radish as a fellow mason isn't enough for you? I know it's not out of the realm of possibility for there to be a mafia mason, but in a set up with no cop that's just downright cruel.

If you consider a mafia mason to be within the realm of possibility, then radish is not a confirmed townie...

wow you actually were making some replys.  I do agree there is the posability of radish not being entirely a confiremd townie but I'm leaning that way at the moment if we do loose because of that I won't feel bad based on the hand we were dealt even if he is a townie though I hate to say it but he's a pretty useless one.



 

TLDR: You suck for skipping everything above. But here's how I really feel from most likely town to most likely scum:
Myself
Radish - To me, he's a confirmed townie
nen - I buy the roleclaim
Wonk - Extremely pro-town, to the point that I'd replace hat's "Linkz, if you are indeed mafia, well played sir." with "Wonk, if you are indeed mafia, well played sir."
zexen - Balance makes me think town, return makes me think scum
SAK - To be rude as radish once called me, he's been pretty useless
FF/hat - I'm pretty sure at least one of them is scum
j0 - I could parrot everything prof said, restate the things I've pointed out, or just use the fact that he was pretty eager to jump back on the lynch of a claimed doc

In closing:
Vote: c03n3nj0


That list looks rather familiar :P

Good post I'm curious what you think about us trying to tell nen who to protect?



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Well linkz it will probably be you or I who will be killed by the scum once the day ends radish has done so little that even though most people are sure he's town he's not that halpful alive.  That's why I'm thinking at least we should try and get nen to at least pick between the two of us.  The scum could try for a 50/50 gable (if nen is the doc and they know) or they might go instead for their next best bet Radish or another town.

All the same we both currently have the same 4 as our top targets and have argued it well.  I would just like to know why j0 is your first choice?



I'm going to bed I will be on before the day ends tomorrow but probably not by much.   Was hoping you (linkz) were on and could have said why j0 was the best first choice. 



Linkzmax said:
[...]
It seems my only reasoning for still believing zexen is a townie is the fact that he wasn't modkilled to aid in balance. It seems quite obvious to me that he doesn't care at all anymore. Add to that some of the things that are exaggeration or not exactly the best logic and I'm starting to get that scummy vibe.

With hat I've been leaning scum, since nord flipped townie, but moreso today. There's been a ton of WIFOM,(talking about what he'd do if he were actually mafia) and though school certainly takes precedence over a forum game, he's been remarkably quiet for a while. Even if he is scum, we most likely have to lynch two others as well, so I'm willing to give him a chance to settle in with school and get active again. Still, a HoS hat because I'll elaborate tomorrow on the WIFOM, or if I'm not around I just want it to be known.

[...]

Once again, using my position as proclaimed TL, I threw together a fairly bogus suspicion against nen's claim. To be frank, only an idiot would respond to http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3865969 in any way that would indicate they are the doc, so it would have been an absolutely horrendous test to check if doc is a safeclaim. FF's reply to my question for j0 threw me off, because I really did lean town with FF. j0 was far worse though with the "If we can't find a substitute I'm happy to re-vote nen" line.

TLDR: You suck for skipping everything above. But here's how I really feel from most likely town to most likely scum:
Myself
Radish - To me, he's a confirmed townie
nen - I buy the roleclaim
Wonk - Extremely pro-town, to the point that I'd replace hat's "Linkz, if you are indeed mafia, well played sir." with "Wonk, if you are indeed mafia, well played sir."
zexen - Balance makes me think town, return makes me think scum
SAK - To be rude as radish once called me, he's been pretty useless
FF/hat - I'm pretty sure at least one of them is scum
j0 - I could parrot everything prof said, restate the things I've pointed out, or just use the fact that he was pretty eager to jump back on the lynch of a claimed doc

100% agree on zexen.
Good points on hat, but I dunno if we could lynch him today. 
(If (hat me) includes a scum, it's obviously hat lol.)

It wasn't that I thought it was credible that nen was trying to flush out the doc; it was more that why would the doc ever make that post

Other thoughts: 
--what is wrong with you zexen radish is totally a mason
--nen should consider protecting radish because of ^

The lynch options seem to be c03n3nj0 and SAK, both of whom, I believe, are at L-3 (along with Wonk).  Obviously No Lynching would be horrendous, and I will probably not be back before the timer runs out.  So I must vote in the dark, a vote that will probably seal whoever's fate because it would take TWO votes to override it. 

j0's been more active, so it might benefit the flow of the game to lynch SAK.  But ...

Hell with it.  I'm going with my gut. 

Vote c03n3nj0

SAK, radish.  Get back in the game.  For serious. 

P.S.  watch out for ninjas. 



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That recent storm of posts from Wonk has given me the impression that he's actually a townie who's trying to help the cause. After reading them all, I can't say that I agree with all the points, but it's definitely contributing.

Unvote: Wonk

@Zex: It's true that there could be a Mafia mason, but (taking away the fact that I know that there isn't a Mafia mason) in the name of game balance, that would be a horrible choice. It seems that we don't have a cop, and we might not even have a doctor - so the masons would be the only thing that gives the town any night-time insight whatsoever.



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