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chocoloco on 08 December 2010
GameOver22 said:
chocoloco said:
HappySqurriel said:
Bobbuffalo said:
leatherhat said:

Atheists are people that bust religious peoples balls over believing in God when there is no proof, completely forgetting that there is no proof God doesn't exist as well.

That's not atheism. Atheism is simply that you won't believe blindly in something unless there are proofs. If there are proofs that God exists then I'll accept it because there's a proof of it.

But so far there isn't and no religion has proved it yet.

That stance is more in line with being agnostic ...

Agnostics (like myself) generally respect other people's religious views but don't believe there is significant evidence to support the view that god exists.

I truly think there is little difference between an atheist and an agnostic. They both are skeptical and non-religous.  And an atheist can respect the good that religion has done even if they believe that no one true religion is possible.

They are distinctly different groups though. Skepticism maintains we cannot have knowledge, and atheists argue we can know that God does not exist. Agnostics are more in line with skepticism because they maintain we cannot assess the truth of religious claims. Atheists are obviously going to disagree because they claim we can know that God does not exist.

That would be true if there was some absolute definition of an atheist which there is not. For an atheist to say there is an absolute definition of the word is the same absolutism that most religions project.     For me, all it takes to be an atheist is to deny the exsitance of a god/goddess/creator it never requires someone to say that they can prove the nonexistence. Maybe it does from a philisophical stance, but in general to be an Atheist really just believes you don't believe in religion.



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Silver-Tiger on 08 December 2010

I'm atheist and pretty anti-religious, too, but I don't want to start a debate here, seeing as most others already did. Yeah, I'm late again to the party.



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pacman91 on 08 December 2010

I love Jesus! 



Mr.Metralha on 08 December 2010

Adults with imaginary friends are stupid and need help.



mhsillen on 08 December 2010
bannedagain said:

Evolution has so many supporting facts that believeing in a book or a  founded religion is close to being in the dark.

I can't say what there is but I for one don't believe in any set religion. I think there could be a god but I'm sure no one really has a clue of what that is. 

M-thoery seems to state that the universe has and always willl be, bumping into other universes membrane;s and creating matter every time that happens( the BIG BANG).

So I will stick with the intellegent nonbiased scientist, rather then a religion who has burned people at the stake or bombed a building. Don't say that this is not what it's about and to some point not but the is a lot of talk of vengence in the bible against people of non-belief or of another god. It contradicts itself. They have recently just cleaned up there actions and some have not.

I bet bruno would be laughing in he's grave at all that he was right about.

I do agree that religion has stopped some people from being nut bags but your always going to have them. The point is that everyone should live up to moral beliefs. Society expects that from you and you should too. I just don't agree with the way they do it. Believe or go to hell, Making people fearful is great and all but we as people can move past cave man days and be civilised as people.  a lot of people's actions pertain to the frontal lube and experience anyway and we are on the verge of pushing science to new levels to maybe help people grow or replace parts of there frontal lube to help them make better decision making.

 

SO YOU SHOULD NOT JUDGE ANYONE'S MORAL BELIEFS BECAUSE THEY DON'T BELIEVE IN A SET RELIGION. THATS BIASED AND PREGITEST.  She could have better mannerism then you ever thought of and yet you think it's unbelieveable that she thinks different and goes by the smartest people in the world beliefs and life achievements in science.

Charles Darwin: look him up some time.

or look at virus's and germs. They mutate and evolve on a faster scale because they  have way shorter lifespans and evolveing for the greater good takes new generations of time to change.

P.S people are not evil because they are not religous and actually a lot of them are way more moral then church going people that think it's ok cause jesus will forgive me!

Hope I didn't affend you but to be shocked that someone doesn't follow in a traditional way you think they should, Just makes you the judgemental person. I go to weddings and all sorts of places that I got to hear what I think is a joke but I don't judge everyone around me as a nut bag because the have a different belief then me. I also don't push it on people and advertise or talk down to. So maybe some of you should look in the mirror.

You make it sound like mutations are a good thing

And Darwins Ideas are not believed by modern scientists

People who don't believe in God are so defensive and ready for the attack on believers. A god or not a god nothing has been proven 

Mutations are negative and the chance for just the spark of life in the primordial soup is no astronomical as to be impossible.  Yet these impossible odds continue to happen?

On any other subject scientists would call such statistics as impossible not not this one subject.



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GameOver22 on 09 December 2010
chocoloco said:
GameOver22 said:
chocoloco said:
HappySqurriel said:
Bobbuffalo said:
leatherhat said:

Atheists are people that bust religious peoples balls over believing in God when there is no proof, completely forgetting that there is no proof God doesn't exist as well.

That's not atheism. Atheism is simply that you won't believe blindly in something unless there are proofs. If there are proofs that God exists then I'll accept it because there's a proof of it.

But so far there isn't and no religion has proved it yet.

That stance is more in line with being agnostic ...

Agnostics (like myself) generally respect other people's religious views but don't believe there is significant evidence to support the view that god exists.

I truly think there is little difference between an atheist and an agnostic. They both are skeptical and non-religous.  And an atheist can respect the good that religion has done even if they believe that no one true religion is possible.

They are distinctly different groups though. Skepticism maintains we cannot have knowledge, and atheists argue we can know that God does not exist. Agnostics are more in line with skepticism because they maintain we cannot assess the truth of religious claims. Atheists are obviously going to disagree because they claim we can know that God does not exist.

That would be true if there was some absolute definition of an atheist which there is not. For an atheist to say there is an absolute definition of the word is the same absolutism that most religions project.     For me, all it takes to be an atheist is to deny the exsitance of a god/goddess/creator it never requires someone to say that they can prove the nonexistence. Maybe it does from a philisophical stance, but in general to be an Atheist really just believes you don't believe in religion.

I also do not think that all definitions need to be absolute, but you can definitely name the characteristics something needs to have in order to fall into a category. The one obvious characteristic of atheists, at least good ones, is they must claim to have the knowledge that God does not exist. Without this, they just have a belief with no justification, and atheists are not going to want to rely on belief for their argument. The most popular form of argumentation would be arguing that the characteristics of God are incompatible with observations of the universe (eg. Richard Dawkins). Someone could also say we cannot know if God exists, but this is an agnostic and not an atheist.

How does someone deny the existence of something without proof? Without proof, its just an empty statement. There needs to be some form of argumentation. I don't really think this is a question of philosophical v. common meaning. I think most atheists will maintain that belief is not enough to be an atheist. It is necessary, but this belief also needs to be true and justified, and hence, knowledge. Also, atheism is not concerned with religion but God. There can be people who believe in God but are not religious, such as deists, but they are not atheists.



GameOver22 on 09 December 2010
mhsillen said:
bannedagain said:

Evolution has so many supporting facts that believeing in a book or a  founded religion is close to being in the dark.

I can't say what there is but I for one don't believe in any set religion. I think there could be a god but I'm sure no one really has a clue of what that is. 

M-thoery seems to state that the universe has and always willl be, bumping into other universes membrane;s and creating matter every time that happens( the BIG BANG).

So I will stick with the intellegent nonbiased scientist, rather then a religion who has burned people at the stake or bombed a building. Don't say that this is not what it's about and to some point not but the is a lot of talk of vengence in the bible against people of non-belief or of another god. It contradicts itself. They have recently just cleaned up there actions and some have not.

I bet bruno would be laughing in he's grave at all that he was right about.

I do agree that religion has stopped some people from being nut bags but your always going to have them. The point is that everyone should live up to moral beliefs. Society expects that from you and you should too. I just don't agree with the way they do it. Believe or go to hell, Making people fearful is great and all but we as people can move past cave man days and be civilised as people.  a lot of people's actions pertain to the frontal lube and experience anyway and we are on the verge of pushing science to new levels to maybe help people grow or replace parts of there frontal lube to help them make better decision making.

 

SO YOU SHOULD NOT JUDGE ANYONE'S MORAL BELIEFS BECAUSE THEY DON'T BELIEVE IN A SET RELIGION. THATS BIASED AND PREGITEST.  She could have better mannerism then you ever thought of and yet you think it's unbelieveable that she thinks different and goes by the smartest people in the world beliefs and life achievements in science.

Charles Darwin: look him up some time.

or look at virus's and germs. They mutate and evolve on a faster scale because they  have way shorter lifespans and evolveing for the greater good takes new generations of time to change.

P.S people are not evil because they are not religous and actually a lot of them are way more moral then church going people that think it's ok cause jesus will forgive me!

Hope I didn't affend you but to be shocked that someone doesn't follow in a traditional way you think they should, Just makes you the judgemental person. I go to weddings and all sorts of places that I got to hear what I think is a joke but I don't judge everyone around me as a nut bag because the have a different belief then me. I also don't push it on people and advertise or talk down to. So maybe some of you should look in the mirror.

You make it sound like mutations are a good thing

And Darwins Ideas are not believed by modern scientists

People who don't believe in God are so defensive and ready for the attack on believers. A god or not a god nothing has been proven 

Mutations are negative and the chance for just the spark of life in the primordial soup is no astronomical as to be impossible.  Yet these impossible odds continue to happen?

On any other subject scientists would call such statistics as impossible not not this one subject.

Mutations are not really negative or positive. They can result in positive or negative traits, but natural selection makes sure the beneficial traits are preserved. Also, I think you will find the vast majority, and I mean close to 100% of scientists accept evolution. In addition, astronomical odds are not enough to say something happened though divine interaction, and the origin of life only needed to happen once. Once it happen and you have a replicating material, evolution can commence.



Boutros on 09 December 2010

I don't know how you guys do that.

Oh well.



NKAJ on 09 December 2010

been an athiest for a few years now...



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bannedagain on 09 December 2010
GameOver22 said:
bannedagain said:
Chairman-Mao said:

This thread lasted 6 posts before someone had to go on a religious rant instead of just a yes or no. 



Look at the way they got disgusted because someone wasn't a christain. Christain hand it to us non believers daily.

So I gave a little back and it wasn't a rant it was my thoughts and a little science and logic.

It's a blog!


Are you referring to the OP? I would hardly say his post signified disgust. He said he was shocked. Even if Christians treated you wrongly, I would not say that is justification for treating them in the same way.


It's a blog about religion, I put my thoughts and didn't insult anyone. I pointed out My point of view and pushed the point that morality has nothing to do with religous belief.  I don't treat anyone differently and wrote my thoughts on a religous questionaire. So where exactly did I call someone a name. I was opinionated but that is what the blog asked for in some since and at any time beliefs get brought up there is goint to be some debate.

I gave a answer and why. Also my thought of his SHOCK! that someone is not a follower. Which is fine but wanted to show that he should treat the situation the same as any situation. Not demonize the person as many christians do.

 GO on facebook and say you are athiest. You will see.

GO in church and tell them your a athiest. Watch the reaction. It seems that you will be grouped with the devil, when you don't believe in him either.