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perpride on 09 December 2010

As someone who was born Muslim, I'm what people would call a super-atheist. I stand directly in opposition to all major religions (especially christianity, judaism and islam). And why wouldn't I? If I were born in Ancient Egypt I would believe in Aphrodite. If I were in Ancient Greece, I'd believe in Zeus. Every single person in this thread is an athiest to the ancient gods. I feel the exact same way about modern religions. The only reason people believe or follow them is becuase they were born into them, or are surrounded by them. These religions will undoubtably become obsolete as we advance our knowledge of the cosmos.  In a few centuries, or possibly millenia, these religions will be viewed the same way as the ancienct religions.

I side with science. I only make claims about things I can scientifically defend. I answer most metaphysical questions with a simple "we don't know".  I'm not out to prove that god doesn't exist. But I sure as fuck will never believe in him unless there is some form of empirical evidence.

I've watched, and been a part of  several lectures on the big bang and creationism. Here's a couple, check em out. The first one is over an hour long, but it is one of the greatest and most informative lectures I've seen in a while.:

A Universe from Nothing by Lawrence Krauss: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo

Richard Dawkins on creationism: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjxZ6MrBl9E&feature=related

 



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pizzahut451 on 09 December 2010
Chairman-Mao said:

This thread lasted 6 posts before someone had to go on a religious rant instead of just a yes or no. 


Did you honestly excpect a diffrent outcome from this people ?



ninty_shareholder64 on 09 December 2010
LivingMetal said:


I have a relationship with my wife, boss, friends, family, animals, etc, and of course those relationships are all different given the conext of the person involved.  Nothing about this is religious.  I also have a relationship with Christ, and the same priniciple applies.  My different relationships rsult in different outcomes, nothing religious about it aswell.  That is all that matters.  I understand that you don't understand because I used to be there, and that's alright.  I'm not going to understand what it means to be a fireman because I'm not one.  You're not a Christian so you are not going to understand either.  I accept that

But i can imagine what it means to be a Christian, and that's why i decided to not believe.

And if you're relationship with Christus or Mohamed or whoever brings you to bombard my country or to be a suicide-assassin, then i don't accept that. I wouldn't accept that from a fireman either, but firemen are normally safing lifes. You could say that one of 1000 fireman could still behave irrational and kill someone. But normally these people are trained to act rational if the fireman is not having a relationship with Santa Claus.

You know, the religious irrationality is dangerous and there were enough wars battled out because of different religious interpretations. I will not accept that.



LivingMetal on 09 December 2010
ninty_shareholder64 said:
LivingMetal said:
 


I have a relationship with my wife, boss, friends, family, animals, etc, and of course those relationships are all different given the conext of the person involved.  Nothing about this is religious.  I also have a relationship with Christ, and the same priniciple applies.  My different relationships rsult in different outcomes, nothing religious about it aswell.  That is all that matters.  I understand that you don't understand because I used to be there, and that's alright.  I'm not going to understand what it means to be a fireman because I'm not one.  You're not a Christian so you are not going to understand either.  I accept that

But i can imagine what it means to be a Christian, and that's why i decided to not believe.

And if you're relationship with Christus or Mohamed or whoever brings you to bombard my country or to be a suicide-assassin, then i don't accept that. I wouldn't accept that from a fireman either, but firemen are normally safing lifes. You could say that one of 1000 fireman could still behave irrational and kill someone. But normally these people are trained to act rational if the fireman is not having a relationship with Santa Claus.

You know, the religious irrationality is dangerous and there were enough wars battled out because of different religious interpretations. I will not accept that.

Very understandable, but what it really boils down to the age old saying, "hate the sin, love the sinner."  I've been forgiven so I strive the same to all as a testimony.  Yes, there are some who have performed atrocious actions in the name of "god."  This is NOT Chrisitianity.  So with all due respect, you wouldn't know what it means to be a Christian.  Christians and so-called Christian are no better that any other human being.  No one is perfect, and we all have our faults.  And from the world's stand point there are a lot of bad people in any man determined group we put them in.  With that, I take things on a case by case basis and not judge a group (or anyone for that matter) simply based on a few.



sapphi_snake on 09 December 2010
pizzahut451 said:
Chairman-Mao said:

This thread lasted 6 posts before someone had to go on a religious rant instead of just a yes or no. 


Did you honestly excpect a diffrent outcome from this people ?

These people? What kind of wording is that???



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pizzahut451 on 09 December 2010
Joelcool7 said:
bannedagain said:
Joelcool7 said:
bannedagain said:
Chairman-Mao said:

This thread lasted 6 posts before someone had to go on a religious rant instead of just a yes or no. 



Look at the way they got disgusted because someone wasn't a christain. Christain hand it to us non believers daily.

So I gave a little back and it wasn't a rant it was my thoughts and a little science and logic.

It's a blog!

Umm unless a post got deleted I believe Chairman-Mao was refering to your athiest rant which was six posts into this thread. Couldn't you have just said "I'm athiest rather then attacking the OP for being Christian?

At the OP I'm sorry to say but their are alot of closed minded Athiests on this site. The closed minded Athiests just will not accept that you have a different belief then they do. Don't get me wrong their are a few open minded educated Athiests on VGChartz as well. But you commited Thread suicide when you indicated you were Christian.

I won't get into the debate of whether my faith is scientifically proven or theirs is because it will lead no where when people have decided what they believe. Its impossible to reason with anyone who blindly believes their belief is the only right one.



I have plenty of supporting facts and all point to 99.9 percent right. 

Santa Clause is real too, RIght, stories are great but it doesn't make them true because you had a spiritual experience. 

Maybe people on this site are sick of the way religions treat them? seems to me that I get it shoved in my face watching the f'ing science channel and almost in every event planned by family, some friends, wedding, soliciting my door,  The mall, Politicians,shoting down stem cell research, c'mon, it goes on and on. We just sit there and take it with a smile and don't get bent out of shape about it.  But once we bring up are beliefs after hearing hours of religion talk, it's we are a--holes and what have you. So it's always shame on us for a different belief system. It's called being demonized for having different beliefs.

Religous groups have always done it.

Maybe you are just sensitive and you need to just accept that it's just providing facts. Not bashing you.

This is why I have decided to stay out of debates. Their is no basis of fact that proves you or me right. The only thing that will happen is I will through facts around which you will say are false or based on misconseptions. Then you will through facts back at me which I will either use to support God's existance or again say come from bias. This will continue untill I have about 8 people attacking me and trying to ruin my credability. Before finally I will leave the thread pissed off just to repeate the situation next time.

I could go all into Micro Evolution and how it proves God exists I could start using personal experiances and proofs of miracles etc...etc... But it would just be a waste of time because you and half the other athiests only listen to facts and theories that agree with your own theology. Look at all the prominent scientists that get fired every day just because they decide God exists.

As for you being under attack and you not actually attacking me. Let me put this into perspective for you. You are not being under attack. You say religion is being forced on you, look at it from a Christian's perspective. Without believe in God you go to hell" now if you knew how to save someone from eternally damnation would you not try at every chance you got? If you say no, you'd just let everyone go to hell. Well then your an asshole.

As for me, I go everywhere and I get attacked because I'm Christian. You claim to not be attacking me you say your just stating facts. Why because your insinuating I don't know these facts and are their for uneducated. You treat me as if I can't comprehend reality that I blindly follow my faith. Now how is that not hostile?

You are attacking me and my faith by suggesting facts prove me wrong. Essentially your calling me stupid , ignorant or both.

So will I continue to debate with you? No because its stupid as you won't listen to my facts or my theories. You'll just write them off while using your own theories and facts which I may even agree with some things but your not going to change my belief.

In the end your posts and mine will only lead to further anti-religious sentiments in you and anti-athiest sentiments in me!

Nice one :)



chocoloco on 09 December 2010
LivingMetal said:
chocoloco said:
LivingMetal said:
Beuli2 said:
DemOps said:

Im still surprised that people in this day and age still believe in this god nonsense. I cant imagine how anyone with any shred of intelligence can even think its possible for there to be a god.

Oh...boy...here is anothe one.

Don't worry about it.  Anyone with any intelligence will tell you that intolerance and self-righteousness are characteristics are not good for human kind.  Just saying.  :)

This is most hypocritical statement I have ever seen. A religous person claiming that the non-religous are more intolerant and self-rightous than people of the Juedo Christian background. I'm afraid that group of people is the epitome of intolerance and self-rightousness. As soon as you claim religion as absolute than religion becomes those very concepts.


I have a relationship with my wife, boss, friends, family, animals, etc, and of course those relationships are all different given the conext of the person involved.  Nothing about this is religious.  I also have a relationship with Christ, and the same priniciple applies.  My different relationships rsult in different outcomes, nothing religious about it aswell.  That is all that matters.  I understand that you don't understand because I used to be there, and that's alright.  I'm not going to understand what it means to be a fireman because I'm not one.  You're not a Christian so you are not going to understand either.  I accept that.

I respect your ability to seperate your religous beliefs from the people you know. But the Juedo Christian tradition can not say the same.



pizzahut451 on 09 December 2010
sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:
Chairman-Mao said:

This thread lasted 6 posts before someone had to go on a religious rant instead of just a yes or no. 


Did you honestly excpect a diffrent outcome from this people ?

These people? What kind of wording is that???


sorry, i meant these



sapphi_snake on 09 December 2010
pizzahut451 said:
sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:
Chairman-Mao said:

This thread lasted 6 posts before someone had to go on a religious rant instead of just a yes or no. 


Did you honestly excpect a diffrent outcome from this people ?

These people? What kind of wording is that???


sorry, i meant these

No dude, I wasn't pointing out that you misspelled "these" (that's not polite). But why'd you feel the need to use that word? What's with the separatism speak? Words like that divide people. And what makes you think your people are any better?



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

pizzahut451 on 09 December 2010
sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:
sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:
Chairman-Mao said:

This thread lasted 6 posts before someone had to go on a religious rant instead of just a yes or no. 


Did you honestly excpect a diffrent outcome from this people ?

These people? What kind of wording is that???


sorry, i meant these

No dude, I wasn't pointing out that you mispelled "these" (that's not polite). But why'd you feel the need to use that word? What's with the separatism speak? Words like that divide people. And what makes you think your people are any better?

Because we are arrogant all knowing superior people that are so sure about our beliefes that we spend more time talking (and bashing) opposite beliefs than our own, making sure that we disprove opposite beliefs rather than paying attention to our own :=)