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famousringo on 07 December 2010
MrBubbles said:
famousringo said:
MrBubbles said:

you know im starting to think that terrorist is a pretty accurate description of assange.


Knowledge as a weapon of terror?

I look forward to Al Qaeda's suicide squad of primary school teachers threatening us with flash cards and book reports. Do as we say or we will furnish you with information and understanding! Here's hoping our security forces can keep us safely ignorant.

I remember when we used to make fun of fascists and communists and theocracies and dictators for being afraid of books and knowledge. Apparently, now truth is so threatening it even endangers the societies of free, democratic nations. When will our leaders make us safe from the truth?

As for the OP, I'm not at all surprised that the US has plans on Canada's strategic weaknesses. That's just their military being prepared for any contingency. Just diligence, nothing personal. I'm sure they have similar plans for each and every country where they have strategic interests.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Plan_Red

 

If you have gained any benefit of whats been released then you must be from the taliban or some other group of terrorists.  had fun tracking down all the afghan informants listed in the first releases and murdering them? it had names and locations for them, so it must have been easy.   how are you enjoying your new shopping lists of "vital" targets, too? 

for anyone else, there is no information of any import.  there are no actual secrets revealed.  just a bunch of shit to try and embarass the US and make international diplomacy even harder.

You don't suppose that the Dutch people might like to have a public debate about whether their country should harbour nuclear weapons?

You know what the CIA's motto is? It's "And ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free." A biblical quote which equates information with freedom. An ignorant person cannot take action on something s/he doesn't know about.

WikiLeaks is a group of idealists who believe that the more information they give all people in the world, the freer those people are. I agree that they're being extremely indiscriminate in what information they disseminate, but calling them terrorists is asinine. A terrorist is a person who tries to affect political change using fear and coercion. WikiLeaks is only terrorist if you find information threatening.



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MrBubbles on 08 December 2010
izaaz101 said:
ConnorJCP said:
Chairman-Mao said:


http://www.airforce.forces.gc.ca/v2/equip/cf18/index-eng.asp

There's Canada's "bi-plane" for you, dumbass.  

I'm pretty sure this is the Canadian Air Force's main fighting plane.



I must admit though, there good painters.

Actually, we use Canadian geese. Much cheaper, they breed like crazy, and a two or three bird crew can take down anything in the air (even commercial planes...if it ever gets to that point).


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Joelcool7 on 08 December 2010
famousringo said:
MrBubbles said:
famousringo said:
MrBubbles said:

you know im starting to think that terrorist is a pretty accurate description of assange.


Knowledge as a weapon of terror?

I look forward to Al Qaeda's suicide squad of primary school teachers threatening us with flash cards and book reports. Do as we say or we will furnish you with information and understanding! Here's hoping our security forces can keep us safely ignorant.

I remember when we used to make fun of fascists and communists and theocracies and dictators for being afraid of books and knowledge. Apparently, now truth is so threatening it even endangers the societies of free, democratic nations. When will our leaders make us safe from the truth?

As for the OP, I'm not at all surprised that the US has plans on Canada's strategic weaknesses. That's just their military being prepared for any contingency. Just diligence, nothing personal. I'm sure they have similar plans for each and every country where they have strategic interests.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Plan_Red

 

If you have gained any benefit of whats been released then you must be from the taliban or some other group of terrorists.  had fun tracking down all the afghan informants listed in the first releases and murdering them? it had names and locations for them, so it must have been easy.   how are you enjoying your new shopping lists of "vital" targets, too? 

for anyone else, there is no information of any import.  there are no actual secrets revealed.  just a bunch of shit to try and embarass the US and make international diplomacy even harder.

You don't suppose that the Dutch people might like to have a public debate about whether their country should harbour nuclear weapons?

You know what the CIA's motto is? It's "And ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free." A biblical quote which equates information with freedom. An ignorant person cannot take action on something s/he doesn't know about.

WikiLeaks is a group of idealists who believe that the more information they give all people in the world, the freer those people are. I agree that they're being extremely indiscriminate in what information they disseminate, but calling them terrorists is asinine. A terrorist is a person who tries to affect political change using fear and coercion. WikiLeaks is only terrorist if you find information threatening.


I wouldn't classify them as just plain terrorists. However I would call them cyber terrorists. Also they are using fear and Coercion. What about Assanges threat that if he is charged , killed or anything happens to him thousands more documents will be leaked? He's taking the entire United States hostage as these facts damage the countries reputation and also damage specific people.

Example the King of Saudi Arabia asking the US to bomb the shit out of Iran? He asked that in confidence and now if Iran gets a weapon guess who now might be a target? Or how about the Afghan informants who only wanted to live in peace and spread democracy, now they are being hunted down and killed thanks to these leaks. These leaks have also brought to light several soft targets as others have said.

When an organisation uses fear and threats of fear to control people. When an organisation attacks civilians by leaking out dangerous info. When a group funds virtual attacks on other governments then that group is called a cyber terrorist group.

You might think, well this only hurt the US why should I care? Well it doesn't it hurts every one of America's allies and you probubly live in one of the countries affected.



-JC7

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Joelcool7 on 08 December 2010
ConnorJCP said:
Joelcool7 said:
Galaki said:
Joelcool7 said:

terrorist organisations and rival governments like Russia.


Russia is a terrorist organization, I see.


Nope but they definatly aren't our ally. They keep flying bombers into our air space. Or at least nearly into our air space. Just a few months ago we had to scramble our fighters to intercept two Russian bombers and keep them out of our air space. The Government of course said they weren't a threat and claimed they did not know why Russian bombers would be entering our airspace.

But security analysts think that Russia is testing our air defences. They also flew bombers over Taiwan and other countries. Them knowing our countries weaknesses in my mind is not good. Infact any country studying my countries weaknesses or knowing my countries weaknesses is not good in my books.

How can it possibly be a good thing for other countries to know all your weaknesses?

I can imagine how that went down.

Russian Pilot 1: We are approcahing Canadian Air-space.
Russian Pilot 2: Hold it! We have received information that Canada has scrambled all its Bi-planes!
Russian Pilot 1: What! They have Bi-planes! Lets turn back while we still can!
Russian Pilot2: Roger That.

Canadian Pilot: Well that was easy, eh?


You better be Canadian? Its fun to laugh at ones self but it is not cool when someone else makes fun of you.

That being said I did have a good chuckle. But soon the Canadian Air Force is getting outfitted with F-35's and other stealth and bomber air craft. Those things make the MiG-35 look like a babies toy.

Also we are getting new Preditor aircraft as well.

Hmm I wonder if we shot down one of those bombers who entered our air space. What would happen then? Technically its our right to defend our air space but I'm sure Russia would not be very happy!



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Cthulhu on 08 December 2010

USA are the terrorists confirmed



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Hephaestos on 08 December 2010

"this information has been checked and no one is put in danger by releasing it"

I never thought that antiamericanism would ryme so much with fucktard.

There is no value in releasing the info Wikileaks is releasing. All it shows is that the US is a highly efficient information gatherer and that they prepare for all scenarios... So the US spie on others? gee what the hell are CIA NSA etc supposed to be, empty buildings ?



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Umos-Cmos on 08 December 2010
Cthulhu said:

USA are the terrorists confirmed

You are probably just trolling, but just in case...  You would love the new world if China and Russia were the super powers. (rolls eyes)



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famousringo on 09 December 2010
Joelcool7 said:


I wouldn't classify them as just plain terrorists. However I would call them cyber terrorists. Also they are using fear and Coercion. What about Assanges threat that if he is charged , killed or anything happens to him thousands more documents will be leaked? He's taking the entire United States hostage as these facts damage the countries reputation and also damage specific people.

Example the King of Saudi Arabia asking the US to bomb the shit out of Iran? He asked that in confidence and now if Iran gets a weapon guess who now might be a target? Or how about the Afghan informants who only wanted to live in peace and spread democracy, now they are being hunted down and killed thanks to these leaks. These leaks have also brought to light several soft targets as others have said.

When an organisation uses fear and threats of fear to control people. When an organisation attacks civilians by leaking out dangerous info. When a group funds virtual attacks on other governments then that group is called a cyber terrorist group.

You might think, well this only hurt the US why should I care? Well it doesn't it hurts every one of America's allies and you probubly live in one of the countries affected.

I was wrong. Wikileaks is not releasing this information indiscriminately:

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/index.html

WikiLeaks has posted to its website only 960 of the 251,297diplomatic cables it has.  Almost every one of these cables was first published by one of its newspaper partners which are disclosing them (The Guardian, theNYT, El Pais, Le Monde, Der Speigel, etc.).  Moreover, the cables posted by WikiLeaks were not only first published by these newspapers, but contain the redactions applied by those papers to protect innocent people and otherwise minimize harm.

Are The Guardian, The New York Times, Le Monde, El Pais, and Der Speigel cyber terrorists, too? If so, how do you propose we sanitize these journals so they stop saying terrorist things? If they aren't, why is Wikileaks a cyber terror group?



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Joelcool7 on 09 December 2010
famousringo said:
Joelcool7 said:


I wouldn't classify them as just plain terrorists. However I would call them cyber terrorists. Also they are using fear and Coercion. What about Assanges threat that if he is charged , killed or anything happens to him thousands more documents will be leaked? He's taking the entire United States hostage as these facts damage the countries reputation and also damage specific people.

Example the King of Saudi Arabia asking the US to bomb the shit out of Iran? He asked that in confidence and now if Iran gets a weapon guess who now might be a target? Or how about the Afghan informants who only wanted to live in peace and spread democracy, now they are being hunted down and killed thanks to these leaks. These leaks have also brought to light several soft targets as others have said.

When an organisation uses fear and threats of fear to control people. When an organisation attacks civilians by leaking out dangerous info. When a group funds virtual attacks on other governments then that group is called a cyber terrorist group.

You might think, well this only hurt the US why should I care? Well it doesn't it hurts every one of America's allies and you probubly live in one of the countries affected.

I was wrong. Wikileaks is not releasing this information indiscriminately:

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/index.html

WikiLeaks has posted to its website only 960 of the 251,297diplomatic cables it has.  Almost every one of these cables was first published by one of its newspaper partners which are disclosing them (The Guardian, theNYT, El Pais, Le Monde, Der Speigel, etc.).  Moreover, the cables posted by WikiLeaks were not only first published by these newspapers, but contain the redactions applied by those papers to protect innocent people and otherwise minimize harm.

Are The Guardian, The New York Times, Le Monde, El Pais, and Der Speigel cyber terrorists, too? If so, how do you propose we sanitize these journals so they stop saying terrorist things? If they aren't, why is Wikileaks a cyber terror group?

No they aren't also terrorist organisations. If they didn't report the news Wikileaks would release cablessomeone else would anyways and they would loose out on stories. News organisations are to report the news Wikileaks tells them that they will release these cables then it is the job of the media to report these cyber terror attacks.

Thats like saying man CNN reported 9/11 live so they are to be held as responsable as the terrorists attacking the two towers. P.S the site you list as a source isn't from any of these major papers is it. I somewhat doubt that these reporters released that many cables in such a short time and that they had input into what was released by Wikileaks and what wasn't.

If a reporter decided to leak a document on their own not from Wikileaks and that document named people who's lives might be taken do to the release of that document. Then that person is a murderer because they are the ones responsable for that person being killed.



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menx64 on 09 December 2010

Yes, it is amazing, even Costa Rica (my tiny-beautiful country) appears on the list...



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