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numonex on 30 November 2010

Businesses do not need American/European workers. Businesses can employ cheaper Asian workers and pay them peanuts to do the skilled and unskilled labour. Businesses are outsourcing more work and save more money. It looks like Governments are making us accept Chinese-style Capitalism and Chinese democracy. 

Want a job get on a plane and go to China and accept lower wages. Give up human rights and workers rights and accept lower wages like they pay in China/Vietnam. Minimum wages and conditions need to be abolished to compete with Asian economies. Humans are seen as expendable commodities to be bought, sold and traded in Asian and the Middle east. East meets West. West will be forced to accept the way of the East. 

A bit of hard work has not hurt the Asian workers who live under autocratic governments. Chinese Capitalism works and workers do not need human/workers rights. Human rights are not needed in a militant Capitalist society. Asian workers are better off than American workers and are paid lower wages. Full employment in Asia and low rates of unemployment. 

Skilled work can be done in Asia for fraction of the price and save businesses lots of money on labour costs. Businesses save lots of money by stripping jobs from expensive western nations and sending them all to cheaper foreign labour markets.

If economic policies are good for Capitalism, they must be good for workers. Business/Capital creates jobs, workers do not create jobs. Workers are expendable human commodities. 

Now is time human/workers rights are abandoned. Free market should decide universal wage. Unions must be banned. Employer/businesses decide wages and employ/worker must accept or find another job. 

Accept Eastern-style militant Capitalism and everyone will be better off? 



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scottie on 30 November 2010

Lol

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_wages_by_country

 

In the country that you have spent your last few days shitting on, the minimum wage varies between $0.39 US and $0.97 an hour. US is $7.25 an hour. So the minimum wage is 7.5-18.6 times that in the Godless Red China. However, cost of living is 4.6 times as muchhttp://www.worldsalaries.org/cost-of-living.shtml. So in real terms, the US minimum wage is 1.6 - 4 times that in China. We in Australia enjoy minimum wages of Australian $14.31/hour. We have cost of living ~ to yours (1.061 times) and our currency is worth 0.95 times yours.This all adds up to Australians enjoy a minimum wage of 1.8 times that you get.

 

So whenever you think to yourself about how much better the USA is than those Deadly Violent Chinese Communists, always remember. Australia is better than you by about the same margin



numonex on 30 November 2010
scottie said:

Lol

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_wages_by_country

 

In the country that you have spent your last few days shitting on, the minimum wage varies between $0.39 US and $0.97 an hour. US is $7.25 an hour. So the minimum wage is 7.5-18.6 times that in the Godless Red China. However, cost of living is 4.6 times as muchhttp://www.worldsalaries.org/cost-of-living.shtml. So in real terms, the US minimum wage is 1.6 - 4 times that in China. We in Australia enjoy minimum wages of Australian $14.31/hour. We have cost of living ~ to yours (1.061 times) and our currency is worth 0.95 times yours.This all adds up to Australians enjoy a minimum wage of 1.8 times that you get.

 

So whenever you think to yourself about how much better the USA is than those Deadly Violent Chinese Communists, always remember. Australia is better than you by about the same margin

Living costs rise when the minimum wage rises. If living costs were kept low by keeping minimum wages low. Inflation could be kept at low levels and workers could be better off. When wages are lower, the costs of living are lower and there are more jobs available. 

Union power are stronger in Europe/Australian than they are in the USA. Union power is weak and limited in USA and minimum wages are low in the US. Banning Unions will lower minimum wages. Asia has no Unions, they are banned. 

US population compared to Australia is around 15:1. 300 million in the USA compared to 20 million in Australia.



scottie on 30 November 2010
numonex said:
scottie said:

Lol

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_wages_by_country

 

In the country that you have spent your last few days shitting on, the minimum wage varies between $0.39 US and $0.97 an hour. US is $7.25 an hour. So the minimum wage is 7.5-18.6 times that in the Godless Red China. However, cost of living is 4.6 times as muchhttp://www.worldsalaries.org/cost-of-living.shtml. So in real terms, the US minimum wage is 1.6 - 4 times that in China. We in Australia enjoy minimum wages of Australian $14.31/hour. We have cost of living ~ to yours (1.061 times) and our currency is worth 0.95 times yours.This all adds up to Australians enjoy a minimum wage of 1.8 times that you get.

 

So whenever you think to yourself about how much better the USA is than those Deadly Violent Chinese Communists, always remember. Australia is better than you by about the same margin

1) Living costs rise when the minimum wage rises. If living costs were kept low by keeping minimum wages low. Inflation could be kept at low levels and workers could be better off. When wages are lower, the costs of living are lower and there are more jobs available. 

2) Union power are stronger in Europe/Australian than they are in the USA. Union power is weak and limited in USA and minimum wages are low in the US. Banning Unions will lower minimum wages. Asia has no Unions, they are banned. 

3) US population compared to Australia is around 15:1. 300 million in the USA compared to 20 million in Australia.

 

1) Yes, that is interesting and all, but as I just pointed out, there isn't a very significant difference in the real minimum wages of China and America - certainly not a significant enough difference to say 'we should be more like them' or that 'they should be more like us' In the eyes of the rest of the developed world, both the US and China have an unfairly low minimum wage

 

2) This is just not true. The Communist Dogs in China actually have trade unions http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_trade_unions.

 

3) Not sure how this is relevant, care to explain why you pointed this out?

 

My point is simply that there is not as significant a difference between The PR of China and the US of America, and that in many ways, this minor difference is about equal in magnitude to the difference in Australia/Parts of Europe and USA, and so you shouldn't be so quick to look down on others, lest your own country be judged. As I said to you in the other thread, I would suggest you read a bit about China/Russia's history/politics/economy that wasn't written by Mccarthy.



numonex on 30 November 2010
scottie said:
numonex said:
scottie said:

Lol

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_wages_by_country

 

In the country that you have spent your last few days shitting on, the minimum wage varies between $0.39 US and $0.97 an hour. US is $7.25 an hour. So the minimum wage is 7.5-18.6 times that in the Godless Red China. However, cost of living is 4.6 times as muchhttp://www.worldsalaries.org/cost-of-living.shtml. So in real terms, the US minimum wage is 1.6 - 4 times that in China. We in Australia enjoy minimum wages of Australian $14.31/hour. We have cost of living ~ to yours (1.061 times) and our currency is worth 0.95 times yours.This all adds up to Australians enjoy a minimum wage of 1.8 times that you get.

 

So whenever you think to yourself about how much better the USA is than those Deadly Violent Chinese Communists, always remember. Australia is better than you by about the same margin

1) Living costs rise when the minimum wage rises. If living costs were kept low by keeping minimum wages low. Inflation could be kept at low levels and workers could be better off. When wages are lower, the costs of living are lower and there are more jobs available. 

2) Union power are stronger in Europe/Australian than they are in the USA. Union power is weak and limited in USA and minimum wages are low in the US. Banning Unions will lower minimum wages. Asia has no Unions, they are banned. 

3) US population compared to Australia is around 15:1. 300 million in the USA compared to 20 million in Australia.

 

1) Yes, that is interesting and all, but as I just pointed out, there isn't a very significant difference in the real minimum wages of China and America - certainly not a significant enough difference to say 'we should be more like them' or that 'they should be more like us' In the eyes of the rest of the developed world, both the US and China have an unfairly low minimum wage

 

2) This is just not true. The Communist Dogs in China actually have trade unions http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_trade_unions.

 

3) Not sure how this is relevant, care to explain why you pointed this out?

 

My point is simply that there is not as significant a difference between The PR of China and the US of America, and that in many ways, this minor difference is about equal in magnitude to the difference in Australia/Parts of Europe and USA, and so you shouldn't be so quick to look down on others, lest your own country be judged. As I said to you in the other thread, I would suggest you read a bit about China/Russia's history/politics/economy that wasn't written by Mccarthy.

Free up the labour market. Allow the free labour markets to decide the wages. More migrants compete and force wages lower and businesses save on labour costs. Supply and demand mechanisms should determine wages. Unions are no longer needed in a modern efficient economy. 

McCarthy was a great Capitalist who lead America in its war against communism. Communism was defeated 20 years ago and Free market Capitalism won.

Everything can be bought and sold on a free market economy. Prices are determined by supply and demand. A market always has sellers/producers and buyers/consumers. 



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scottie on 30 November 2010

I love how you want to remove government restrictions on companies by removing minium wage

AND

You want to increase government restrictions on individuals by making collective bargaining illegal.

 

That's the thing that amuses me so greatly about you 'free market' folks. You don't actually want a free market at all, you want a market where people are free to  do exactly what you want them to. Every  time you post anti-union comments like that you shit on the right to free speech and all over that American flag you love so much.

 

Even if McCarthy is a good bloke, that doesn't mean you should use only the one source before forming your opinions. That's like only reading reviews from IGN.com.au about a Wii game and then assuming it's a bad game. I've said some right wing economists papers, I've read history written by people who have similarly racist ideas about Russia as you have about China, and that is why every single thing you have posted I have shut down with cold hard facts. You cannot out-argue me because you have only a very limited experience in such matters.

 

Everything can be bought/sold?

How much would I have to pay you tfor you to let me kill you?

What do you reckon I would have to pay to get some Heroin from a Magistrate?

For that matter, how much would it cost me to get you to accept that the completely free market would lead to untold misery for 99% of the population?



badgenome on 30 November 2010
scottie said:

Lol

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_wages_by_country

 

In the country that you have spent your last few days shitting on, the minimum wage varies between $0.39 US and $0.97 an hour. US is $7.25 an hour. So the minimum wage is 7.5-18.6 times that in the Godless Red China. However, cost of living is 4.6 times as muchhttp://www.worldsalaries.org/cost-of-living.shtml. So in real terms, the US minimum wage is 1.6 - 4 times that in China. We in Australia enjoy minimum wages of Australian $14.31/hour. We have cost of living ~ to yours (1.061 times) and our currency is worth 0.95 times yours.This all adds up to Australians enjoy a minimum wage of 1.8 times that you get.

 

So whenever you think to yourself about how much better the USA is than those Deadly Violent Chinese Communists, always remember. Australia is better than you by about the same margin

1. numonex isn't American.

2. numonex is a troll.

If you want waste your time arguing with a troll, come argue with me about why the PS3 is/isn't the worst thing ever (your choice!).



numonex on 30 November 2010
badgenome said:
scottie said:

Lol

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_wages_by_country

 

In the country that you have spent your last few days shitting on, the minimum wage varies between $0.39 US and $0.97 an hour. US is $7.25 an hour. So the minimum wage is 7.5-18.6 times that in the Godless Red China. However, cost of living is 4.6 times as muchhttp://www.worldsalaries.org/cost-of-living.shtml. So in real terms, the US minimum wage is 1.6 - 4 times that in China. We in Australia enjoy minimum wages of Australian $14.31/hour. We have cost of living ~ to yours (1.061 times) and our currency is worth 0.95 times yours.This all adds up to Australians enjoy a minimum wage of 1.8 times that you get.

 

So whenever you think to yourself about how much better the USA is than those Deadly Violent Chinese Communists, always remember. Australia is better than you by about the same margin

1. numonex isn't American.

2. numonex is a troll.

If you want waste your time arguing with a troll, come argue with me about why the PS3 is/isn't the worst thing ever (your choice!).

I am pretty certain there are some conservatives out there who would agree with these radical free market political views/opinions. 

Let the businesses regulate themselves. Businesses/employers should determine the wages/salaries of employees/workers. 



im_sneaky on 30 November 2010

Scottie always falls for these threads of numonex.



 

 

numonex on 30 November 2010

Following measures must be carried out to convert a nation into a Chinese style nation. 

1. Minimum wages should be abolished. Wages would be more competitive with third world markets. 

2. Unions should be abolished. Most Americans associate Unions with Communism/Socialism. Fox News warns people that unions are bad, they must be bad. 

3. One party conservative government runs the country. China has one of the strongest economies and it has  one party government that can never be opposed. 

4. Human rights  are abolished. China does not respect human rights. Economy is far more important than society.